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Old 08-05-2012, 04:42 PM   #16
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i remember in book of job that the devil acted for god by accusing people and telling god and also tempting people
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in the book of job God sees satan roaming the land and God talks to satan about his servent job and how much love job has for God and how obedient job is to God. satan more or less says that the only reason job is loyal to God is because of the way God has blessed job's life.

so God allows satan to take everything job has away from him including his health. job asks God why he did such a thing to him but still vows not to curse God's name. most of the book of job is about how miserable job's predicament is him asking why this is happening to him, and job pleading with God to end his life so he doesnt have to suffer any longer. in the end God restores job to full health and gives job double the wealth he had before. job proved his loyalty to and love for God even when he had everything taken away from him.

matthew 27:45-46 is sort of a microcosm of the book of job. God the father turning his face away from his beloved son because of the amount of sin he was bearing in his crucifixion and death only to be resurrected and seated at the right hand of God the father.
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Old 08-05-2012, 05:53 PM   #17
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Ain't it obvious god is always painted as a old greying dude with long grey beard? all people turn grey. they want to give god human characteristics but have supernatural power. maybe men got more rep back in those days because men wanted to draw what they wanted to see and rep and symbolise in their work. How would anyone know they were definitely made by men. there are female deities so were those dreamt up by feminists?
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Old 08-05-2012, 05:55 PM   #18
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in the book of job God sees satan roaming the land and God talks to satan about his servent job and how much love job has for God and how obedient job is to God. satan more or less says that the only reason job is loyal to God is because of the way God has blessed job's life.

so God allows satan to take everything job has away from him including his health. job asks God why he did such a thing to him but still vows not to curse God's name. most of the book of job is about how miserable job's predicament is him asking why this is happening to him, and job pleading with God to end his life so he doesnt have to suffer any longer. in the end God restores job to full health and gives job double the wealth he had before. job proved his loyalty to and love for God even when he had everything taken away from him.

matthew 27:45-46 is sort of a microcosm of the book of job. God the father turning his face away from his beloved son because of the amount of sin he was bearing in his crucifixion and death only to be resurrected and seated at the right hand of God the father.
i remember in 1 part of job satan starts being called 'the gr8 accuser' or something like that .

it kinda made me think is devil not providing a service 4 god in a way. cuz hes accusing people.
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I've read bits of the New and Old Testament

The Old Testament is more interesting but I personally find the Abrahamic God's actions abhorrent and I dont mean that as disrespect to anyone who follows Yahweh/Iloheim/Jehovah/Allah or whatever other names people have for the Abrahamic God.

In fact Jesus teachings seem to me to be almost anathema to alot of God's actions i.e. Jesus seemed like an compassionate guy from what ive read

i only have a preliminary knowledge of the Bible tho.
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what do you mean its said the Devil works and submits to God?
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Nobody knows the truth unless they speak it.You can't force the truth , the truth is obvious.


I like some stuff in this thread and I don't like some stuff in this thread. I need to watch these videos though to respond any further
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I've read bits of the New and Old Testament

The Old Testament is more interesting but I personally find the Abrahamic God's actions abhorrent and I dont mean that as disrespect to anyone who follows Yahweh/Iloheim/Jehovah/Allah or whatever other names people have for the Abrahamic God.

In fact Jesus teachings seem to me to be almost anathema to alot of God's actions i.e. Jesus seemed like an compassionate guy from what ive read

i only have a preliminary knowledge of the Bible tho.
many of the seemingly abhorrent things God did were punishments for people who chose to diseboy God's laws and/or those who opposed God. since God is the creator of all things he is sovereign over his creation. God was serving justice in the old testament.

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what do you mean its said the Devil works and submits to God?
sorry, i dont understand the question...
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i remember in 1 part of job satan starts being called 'the gr8 accuser' or something like that .

it kinda made me think is devil not providing a service 4 god in a way. cuz hes accusing people.
the accuser is one of the things satan is called. also "the father of lies".
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Ancient astronauts that killed their planet with harmful ozone killing gases came here and created us to mine our planet for its gold. They created us to mine this gold and be their slaves. We still are their slaves and they are still among us.

The main advocate of this theory passed away mysteriously couple years back and has been attacked for mistranslating cunieform writings by people who still use his translations of sumerian/babylonian/akkadian writings.

I dont know what to think except that this shit called religion has cancered us long enough and misguided so many. I do know blind faith from christianity has killed way more people and their well-being on this planet rather then saved them.

If anything - if this christianity is true...then the devil has fooled us to the point where even the bible itself is a lie.

I will peep these videos tonite before bed. will it give me any epiphanies or life altering changes - that I doubt very much. Google is not your friend. Old books are.
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Ancient astronauts that killed their planet with harmful ozone killing gases came here and created us to mine our planet for its gold. They created us to mine this gold and be their slaves. We still are their slaves and they are still among us.

The main advocate of this theory passed away mysteriously couple years back and has been attacked for mistranslating cunieform writings by people who still use his translations of sumerian/babylonian/akkadian writings.
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I dont know what to think except that this shit called religion has cancered us long enough and misguided so many. I do know blind faith from christianity has killed way more people and their well-being on this planet rather then saved them.

If anything - if this christianity is true...then the devil has fooled us to the point where even the bible itself is a lie.
christianity has nothing to do with religion. religion is man trying to reach the level of God by various practices and disciplines. christianity is believing in who God says he is from his word and coming under his authority and submitting to his will and purpose.

the crusaids and other instances where lunatics went out to harm people in the name of God have nothing to do with what the scriptures teach. God cant be held responsible for people who misinterpret scripture and go do dumbass shit because of it. this is, again, man refusing to come under the authority of God and instead establishing their own authority and corrupting scriptural text to try and justify their actions. or its people acting out of very gross ignorance of sound scriptural doctrine.
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Well could you expand on that statement? I thought God and Satan were direct, autonomous opposites so why would the Devil submit to God
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Well could you expand on that statement? I thought God and Satan were direct, autonomous opposites so why would the Devil submit to God
not at all.

satan is a fallen angel who before his fall from grace was highly ranked amongst the angels in heaven. all the angels of heaven submit to the authority of God. satan, or who he was titled at the time "lucifer", sought to make himself greater than God and usurp his kingship so God threw him out.

this is somewhat similar to what adam and eve did in taking fruit from the tree of life. God gave man everything and man was truly blessed back in the beginnning before the fall of man through sin. the serpent, who was satan, told eve that if they took the apple they would more or less have the knowledge that God possessed. in both instances with adam and eve and lucifer they sought to be equal or greater than God.

contrast that with the perfect sacrifice who is Jesus who submitted fully to the will of the Father all the way to a brutal death and did not seek to be equal or greater than his Father.

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In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
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7 rather, he made himself nothing
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to the glory of God the Father.


all 3 had an opportunity to be in right relationship with God. one humbled themself in submission while the others sought abolsute power and authority.

so originally, before his insurrection, satan was actually on God's side.
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so you dont believe in God at all. fair enough.

like i said. better to say its all bullshit and walk away from it then try to distort its meaning.
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you've written this same shit plenty of times before -

if you do see this section of the forum in this way, why do you keep coming back ?

you cannot learn anything here -

i would assume that most of the people who have been posting here from many years do not respect you or your words -

most of your posting "career" you have been a target for ridicule in general chat

yet out of all the people who ever posted here in this section, you complain the most about this section

answer me this yo - what the fuck is wrong with you ?


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christianity has nothing to do with religion. religion is man trying to reach the level of God by various practices and disciplines. christianity is believing in who God says he is from his word and coming under his authority and submitting to his will and purpose.

the crusaids and other instances where lunatics went out to harm people in the name of God have nothing to do with what the scriptures teach. God cant be held responsible for people who misinterpret scripture and go do dumbass shit because of it. this is, again, man refusing to come under the authority of God and instead establishing their own authority and corrupting scriptural text to try and justify their actions. or its people acting out of very gross ignorance of sound scriptural doctrine.
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If anything - if this christianity is true...then the devil has fooled us to the point where even the bible itself is a lie.
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