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Default NEW Interview I conducted with PRINCE PAUL... (In depth Gravediggaz discussion)

I first spoke with Prince Paul in September 2012 for an interview that covered pretty much his whole career. The interview got a great response when it went up online, particularly the questions about the Gravediggaz. Since then I wanted to reconnect with him to discuss the first Gravediggaz record in more detail. It is a stone cold classic in my opinion and I had a lot of questions for him.

I finally got the opportunity to speak with Paul again last week and I focussed the entire hour long interview on the creation of Niggamortis/6 Feet Deep. Paul was in an especially talkative mood so the interview is really in depth. We breakdown the album track-by-track as well as discussing the problems he had trying to get a deal for the group, getting the record out and much more.

I feel this is the definitive interview when it comes to 6 Feet Deep, I donít think Paul has ever spoken in as much detail about the making of this album. So sit back, take some time and enjoy the read... Like I said, itís very long!

The interview is up on hiphopsite.com and will be up on Wu-International.com but I thought I'd post it here for you guys too...

Interview conducted by Pattch82 (pattch82@gmail.com)
Interview Date: July 18th 2013

PATTCH82: Wassup Paul, how are youÖ?

PRINCE PAUL: Yeah Iím good, just getting my day started. How you doingÖ?

P82: Yeah Iím good. I wanted to focus the interview on the making of the first Gravediggaz record if thatís cool with youÖ? Itís a personal classic of mine and I got a lot of questions! HahaÖ

PAUL: OK yeah, no problem.

P82: We kinda touched on this the last time we spokeÖ you mentioned that you gathered RZA, Poetic and Frukwan together at your house to discuss the possibility of forming a group. What was that meeting like with the four of you all together for the first timeÖ?

PAUL: I think it was really just guys trying to get to know each other because they knew of each other but they didnít know each other. And at the same time they didnít really know what each others skill level was. So it was a meeting to more or less get them to understand why Iíd picked each one of them and what I thought they possessed that I thought would be cool collectively as a group. So it was a lot of playing music and guys giving each other respect for the work they had done. I think once they realised that I didnít pick any slouches, you know each of them had something to offer, then it just made it a little more relaxed and like ok letís come up with some ideas and ok, ok you are niceÖ I see why Paul called you here. It was cool after that and then we came up with the first song, The House That Hatred Built, and that was the first thing that we did just all sitting down together after coming up with the concept of what the group wasÖ the Gravediggaz.

P82: Was the track recorded during that first meeting tooÖ?

PAUL: Yeah if I remember correctly. In the midst of bringing them all together and us sitting and talking and we were like ok the name of the group is Gravediggaz. I thought ok I think I have a beat for that. I had so much music and a lot of the music I was making back then was really dark. I think I was going through some type of weird depression or something so it kinda worked out that the name of the group was Gravediggaz and I had a whole bunch of music that was dark and it was just a track that fit the vibe at the time. The guys came up with stuff and we recorded it. Once everybody heard how they sounded together on one track that made them even more excited to want to work together.

P82: The demo tape that you recorded, was that done around the same timeÖ?

PAUL: Yeah the demo tape followed right after. Once we had the first initial meeting it was just a matter of getting everybodyís schedule together and figuring out when we all can meet up next. At the first meeting I played music and they liked it, so I gave them some songs, 2 Cups Of Blood was one of the beats which I thought was just a throwaway track but I remember RZA was like YOOOOOO thatís crazy letís use that! Iím thinking heís crazy, you wanna use that?! Itís not even done! So I gave them the beats, put them all on cassette. They took it home, listened to it, and the cool thing is they talked amongst each other without me having to be there, because introducing them is one thing but then for Poetic to reach out and discuss ideas with the others like on this song Iím thinking about doing this or letís do thatÖ So by the time that they did come back to my house to record we had a good grasp of what needed to be done.

P82: You had to shop the demo for quite a while before you finally found a label that was interestedÖ

PAUL: Yeah nobody wanted to mess with us you know. One reason why I put that group together was I felt I was being disrespected in the music industry in the terms of just probably record execs. Itís funny at one point youíre in the limelight and people are like heís the greatest thing ever and then a year later itís like awww heís wack, De La Soul have fallen off, because back then De La Soul Is Dead was considered a failure. Now itís like wow itís a great record but back then it was like woah they fell off. And then dealing with Russell and them, we had the Dew Doo Man label that we were talking about and then didnít happen and it was just horrible. Going through all that and then shopping the demo and Iím thinking itís the greatest thing ever, Iím putting three guys together who are having hard times so theyíre feeling what Iím feeling so Iím thinking this is a combined energy that weíre putting on this demo and weíre doing everything with passion and people are going to love it. And then they go ohhh GravediggazÖ itís a gimmickÖ I donít knowÖ its kinda wack. I remember I had a friend she worked at Jive and she brought it there and one of the guys, Iím not gonna mention his nameÖ I do remember his name because it kinda bothered meÖ but she brought it into the A&R meeting and he was like ohh man these guys are old, theyíre played out, nobody wants to hear them again. And this is pre-Wu-Tang so I guess that shows the power of having Wu-Tang behind the situation too. And it really bothered me and it literally sat for a year, I went to all the labels, anybody that I knew, that I had connects withÖ Tommy Boy, Def Jam, Jive, every label we could think of and they turned it down. It kinda hurt man, something I worked really hard at, I mean HARD.

P82: I heard that you had a meeting with Eazy-E too about possibly putting the record out on RuthlessÖ?

PAUL: Oh yeah you know itís funny out of all of the meetings, initially he was one person that was interested in putting out the project. I flew out to California because I had a connect out there and I knew Eazy from before because we had toured with N.W.A. on a few dates when I was with Stetsasonic. Heís a real nice guy, itís funny Iím thinking N.W.A. is all street and gangsta, but he was a real nice dude man. I remember going to L.A., going to Ruthless Records and I remember he had the demo in his hand and heís like yo GravediggazÖ I really like this, I wanna sign yíall. Iím like REALLY?? Wow! One, Iím a big N.W.A. fan to begin with, people donít realise how huge of a fan I was so this was kinda going full circle for me. So Iím like wow he getís it, after all this rejection, Eazy gets it. So Iím like yeah letís do this deal, and I remember Jerry Heller was there at the time making an offer. First of all I gotta thank Eazy, god rest his soul, for giving me a copy of the N.W.A. VHS tape that I wanted so bad and it wasnít in stores at the time hahaha, so I had to get that! So then I talked to Jerry Heller, he was ok but was very disinterested you know, he doesnít care about the music, heís just the business dude. But that contract, I donít remember the details but I do remember it was probably one of the worst things Iíve ever seen in my lifeÖ it was almost like, it was better off not putting out the record at all hahaha. Iím not saying it was this bad, but it was like yo you wanna put out a record? Pay me and weíll put out the record haha. It made sense why a lot of the people at the time had beef with Jerry Heller because it was that bad. It was likeÖ what? Are you kidding me? It was horrible. So I still had a little faith and I was like yo Iím gonna wait out for a better situation.

P82: How much time had passed between recording the demo and the actual albumÖ?

PAUL: Over a year, because it took us a year to get the deal. It was almost a year to the day when John Baker from Gee Street called and said hey I like this demo and I wanna sign you guys. And the deal was actually half way decent. So we started the demo in í91 and the actual album came out in í94 so there you go haha. Right after we signed the deal it probably took us about six months to record it.

P82: On to the album itselfÖ it opens with a short intro Just When You Thought It Was Over and then goes straight into Constant Elevation, an absolute killer opening track!

PAUL: Oh yeah, my whole thing when putting an album together, and I still feel this way, is I like having an introduction to what the album is about. This is when people used to listen to albums; I donít think people really listen to entire albums as much any more, they kinda skip each track. I tried to set up the mood and I wanted to let people know what they were getting in to before the whole album started. And then Constant Elevation, even before we recorded the album I knew I wanted to make that the opener, even before the vocals got on I already had an idea what the intro music should sound like.

P82: How did you manage to get them to spit in those crazy styles, especially Poetic and RZAÖ? Were you pushing them or were they experimenting themselvesÖ?

PAUL: Well it all started with Poetic. Constant Elevation was I think the first song that we recorded collectively after we had gotten the deal, the first track done in a real studio rather than recording at my home. I remember Poetic started rhyming, RZA didnít get there yet. There was me, Poetic and Frukwan, RZA was late getting to the studio. I asked Poetic to start it off and he just came with some regularÖ you know, not regularÖ but you could tell he hadnít been in a studio in a while. And Iím like come on man, come on this ainít you, youíre nice man, donít front man; youíre nice so letís show it. Then after a few more tries he came out with the BEEEEEWARE!! Haha. And he kicks the whole rhyme like that, real crazy. Now thatís what Iím talking about, thatís what Iím looking for. That kinda set the precedent on the album of what his style would be. Frukwan had to follow that right after, and he didnít want to be outshined so he had to make sure that he got in where he fit in and then by the time RZA got to the studio I played him what we had done and his eyes lit up like YOOO!! Thatís crazy! I wanted him to do just his regular style that he was doing at the time but he was like nah nah I gotta change it up, gotta change it, listen Iíve been working on this style of voice. And thatís when he came with the style of voice we have on the album. We did two versions; we did one like how I wanted it to be done which is on my Hip-Hop Gold Dust album which I personally liked better and then the style that he did that ended up on the album.

P82: I was going to mention the alternate version on your Gold Dust compilation. So is that the version that you actually wanted on the albumÖ?

PAUL: Yeah thatís the one where I was like yo thatís what I like. People donít understand that Gravediggaz was like a reinvention for everybody, Frukwan didnít wanna come out like Frukwan, Poetic didnít wanna sound like Poetic. Prince Rakeem didnít wanna come out like Prince Rakeem and Iíll remind you when we were there putting the group together he didnít even have the name The RZA then. He made up the name at my house, because we were all thinking of names, ok Iím the Undertaker you know, The Gatekeeper, Grym Reaper. He said Iím the Resurrector but I spell it RZA-rector, you can just call me RZA for RZA-rector. So weíre like ok thatís cool, thatís different. So thatís a little known fact, he made up that name at my house.

P82: Then we come to Nowhere To Run, Nowhere To HideÖ

PAUL: Yeah RZA came in and I remember at the same time he was recording with Wu-Tang. He heard the beat and wanted to use it, originally that wasnít the beat I wanted to use because I had another idea but it worked out. He came up with the hook; he was like yo Iíve been having this idea in my mind Ė nowhere to run to baby nowhere to hide. OK letís do that, we recorded it and everybody laid the vocals down, RZA did a rough take and right at the point where he messed up at I put the little daaa daa da da (sings the kung fu riff from the beginning of Protect Ya Neck) to cover up the space where he messed up, because Protect Ya Neck had just came out. He was like yo Iím coming back to redo my vocals, when he came back he heard what I had done with it; I think Method Man was with him too. He was like YOOO! Thatís crazy! I was like yeah I didnít have time for you to come back and fix it; I just wanted to get on to the next song. He was like yo thatís crazy; I love how you came up with that idea. So it was a mistake that I covered up. I liked his delivery; itís just that he kinda forgot what he was going to say at the time so I covered it up.

P82: Defective Trip (Trippiní) is next. Who usually came up with the subject matter for each trackÖ? Was it them hearing the beat or did you have a certain topic in mind for each trackÖ?

PAUL: It was both. With some of them the guys would hear it and be like ok Iím thinking this, like RZA with Nowhere To Run, Nowhere To Hide. With Defective Trip I had that idea; I was like man letís talk about trippiní, drugs. And I thought the beat kinda fit the vibe of trippiní you know, kinda spacey a little bit, still funky. I gave them the concept and they just ran with it. That was the cool thing about working with them, we were all able to talk to each other and express an idea without feeling nervous you know, everybody was open so if it was a stupid idea theyíd tell you it was stupidÖ but respectfully, haha. So I came with the concept, they wrote to it and I just added all the stuff around it.

P82: The next track is 2 Cups Of Blood which was originally on the demo tape. Did you re-record that track for the album or did you use the demo recordingÖ?

PAUL: No. A lot of stuff that you hear on the demo tape is actually on the album. So yeah, 2 Cups Of Blood was recorded at my house, it was recorded on an 8-track cassette Tascam, I had an SM58 microphone, everything that you hear on that record is low budget and we just mixed it at a decent studio to make it sound good. But yeah that was recorded at the house; Poetic and RZA were going back and forth. I know Frukwan kinda felt left out, I donít think he was there at the time they recorded the rhymes. I was like yo it sounds good as it is man, I donít wanna change it. Not every song has to be predictable with all the same people all the time. Itís one of my favourite songs, the beat was a mistake but it worked out and I gotta thank RZA for that because he heard something that I didnít hear.

P82: Blood Brothers is a track that Frukwan producedÖ

PAUL: Yeah Blood Brothers, the original track was on a demo that he had. When I put the group together I listened to it a lot and I liked the beat so much that when we started making the album I tried to get everybody involved so I was like yo letís use that beat that you had. I think Poetic came with the hook and expressed it to RZA and Frukwan and they just wrote to it and thatís more or less how that one came about. We had to recreate the beat because there was a lot of samples so a lot of it we replayed but we tried to make it sound a lot like a sample.

P82: Next is the short interlude 360 Questions with a little dig at Tommy Boy RecordsÖ

PAUL: Haha yeah, I just wanted to be silly. Ahh man Iím trying to remember everyone who is on there, I remember there was a bunch of people at the studio; we were at a studio in downtown Manhattan called GLC Studios. We just had a whole bunch of people there and we were like yo letís just have them ask questionsÖ I think Vernon Reid was there, just random people you know. And then yeah at the endÖ who killed Tommyís BoyÖ I wasnít expecting that one, haha. We were all ex-Tommy Boy artists at the time and everybody had bad stories about how they got dropped, except for me of course, I wasnít dropped I just kinda moved on. So I was like, coolÖ and when we were sequencing the album I thought Suicide would be really good after that.

P82: 1-800 Suicide has such a laid back beat but the lyrics are so crazy that it creates a strange vibe. The lyrics seem even more unhinged because theyíre spitting over such a calm, melodic beatÖ

PAUL: Well I remember playing that beat for them and I really liked that beat, I made a few beats during that time that I was like yo I really like this one I gotta record it. I think I may have come up with the concept of suicide because I sampled the KRS-One thing in between, and they were like yo this is crazy! We recorded the vocals exactly how you hear, Frukwan came on first and I remember the guys were like yo he nailed it, he nailed the concept, he nailed the vibe, and that was his first take that you hear on the record. Then Poetic was like yo watch what I got, Iím gonna go a little different on it and he did the whole sing-songy part and I was like what?! Thatís so nuts! Because the rhyme was crazy, the rhyme style was crazy. And then RZA kinda just reeled it on home, just going in with his Prince Rakeem style, but hardcore, hard. That was his first take.

P82: There was also the RZA remix of 1-800 Suicide that was on one of the singles. Poeticís verse especially on the remix is crazyÖ

PAUL: They had asked me to remix it and I told RZA yo man I canít really think of anything for it, why donít you remix it. He said ok, and then he came up with the idea. Poetic was always the type of dude that was very competitive and I used to always put him a RZA against each other a lot. I used to always tell Poetic like yo I think heís nicer than youÖ and then Iíd go to RZA and go yo man I think Poetic can kill you man hahaha. It always brought the best out of Poetic and with that rhyme he wasnít taking no shorts man, he killed it. Itís a very underrated rhyme, people talk about great verses and to me thatís one of them.

P82: Pass The Shovel was next but that track only appeared on certain versions of the album. Was it left off the American release due to sample clearance issuesÖ?

PAUL: Nah I just really didnít want it on the record you know. That was put on by the recommendation of the label; they wanted another track to put on the UK release. I said ok but to me it didnít really fit the theme of how the album went. It was originally a demo that we recorded at the house and then we re-recorded the vocals. I actually like the original demo over the re-recorded one, but that was more to please the label. At the time I felt the beat really didnít fit where we were going.

P82: Diary Of A Madman is probably one of your best known songs. Can you tell me how the situation with the production credits happenedÖ? Because you actually produced the track rightÖ?

PAUL: Yeah I mean what got it twistedÖ Iíll explain how it happenedÖ RZA came in with this sample and we were like yo thatís crazy letís use that. RZA was like I donít know, itís not mine, I didnít loop this up my man RNS who lives around my way did it. I was like yo, ask him if we can use it. RZA said man we gonna have to give him credit, we gonna have to break him off a little bit and give him some credit. I said yo whatever it takes to get the loop. So when we looped it, we didnít even get the real loop, we just took it off the cassette. I said yo ask him what the sample is. He was likeÖ he got it from a car commercial. I said what?! Get outta here! RNS wouldnít disclose what the sample was at the time. So I looped it up and added a beat and stuff to it. I took it, programmed the beat, recorded all the vocals, arranged all the vocals and thatís when I met Shabazz The Disciple and Killah Priest, they came down to the studio. Shabazz heard the beat, just the beat and the loop and he wanted to rhyme on it and he killed it! He was the first one rhyming on that song and the guys didnít know how to follow it because it was too crazy. There was no concept to the song, just his rhyme. So I had to sit down and figure out how I could make this cohesive because thereís no hook, thereís no concept. So I came up with the courtroom thing and then I wrote out that part. When all the rhymes were on I put the courtroom part on and I never told them what I was going to do. I played it for all of them and they were like yo, how did you come up with that idea, thatís crazy! How did you link all that together! It was just an idea I came up with. I took it, recorded the vocals, mixed it and at the end of the day I didnít care about credit, I just worried about the record getting out. Technically RNS was never there, we used his sample and it was through RZA because it was RZAís connect so then RZA got credit but the person who actually put the whole song together was me, haha. So I never got the proper credit but I didnít care. If itís gonna take RNS to get credit for this so we can use the sample, because it was dope and I had no idea what it was, RZA had no idea what it was, so RNS was the only person that had a link to that sample. Now I know what it is but back then I didnít know what it was. It all worked out. So when I see people like oh RNS and RZA killed the track... Iím like what?! Even the production sounds like me, you can tell. RZA and RNS ainít gonna come up with the whole courtroom scene, itís not their style. But it all worked out in the end, haha.

P82: Mommy, Whatís A Gravedigga is quite a short track. A longer version appeared on the B-Side of one of the singles. Is there any reason you put the short version on the albumÖ?

PAUL: I just wanted to keep it short and sweet, which was my thought process back then. It was a short, cool sample. The first time I remember hearing that sample was when Pos had it for a De La remix; I was like yo thatís dope! People didnít really know the remix that well so I was like yo, Iím gonna reuse that. So I got my man Scotty Harding, who was my engineer for the album, play the bass over it and Iím gonna flip it the way I want to flip it. We made it really, really short and I like what they did to it. I added peopleís vocals, the girlís vocals at the beginning. People used to record stuff and send vocals in on cassette so I could sample it and put it on the album at random places, it worked out.

P82: Bang Ya Head is a real hardcore trackÖ the beat is crazy energetic. What was the thought process behind that oneÖ?

PAUL: That was a beat that I had that I originally recorded as a demo for the Cold Crush Four believe it or not haha. They never put it out and never used it and I still liked the beat so I played it for RZA and Poetic and they liked it. RZA had just been recording Da Mystery Of Chessboxiní with Wu-Tang and he came back and heís like yo for some reason U-God kept on saying ďrun in to the wall, bang ya headĒ so we should call this Bang Ya Head, it has that kinda vibe to it. RZA said it was stuck in his head to use that with this beat. I said yeah whatever you wanna come up with Iím just glad you wanna use it. RZA set it off, he came up with the hook, and he showed the guys how he heard the track.

P82: Here Come The Gravediggaz was produced by Mr. SimeÖ

PAUL: Oh yeah Sime, that was Poeticís homeboy at the time. Poetic and his brother were doing The Brothers Grym when we reconnected. Sime was their producer, and he produced their demo. It was amazing; I thought he was an unknown amazing producer. Since Frukwan had a beat on the album, and RZA was participating and I wanted everybody to be involved, Mr. Sime came up with that beat and he played it for me. I was like yo, itís only fair to have yíall do a track on the album, put that one on there. So that one was all conducted by Poetic, him and Mr. Sime got together, came with the beat, took the hook, told the other guys what it was and I just mixed it.

P82: Then we move on to Graveyard Chamber. Another crazy energetic track and a classic early RZA beatÖ

PAUL: Oh yeah RZA killed it!

P82: How much guidance were you giving to RZA back then with regards to production techniques, etcÖ?

PAUL: It was nice because he really respected a whole lot of what I did. It was really during the days of We Love You Rakeem. We were recording a lot of demos back then and unbeknown to me he was kinda learning a lot of stuff, programming stuff, heíd watch a lot, heíd ask questions. It wasnít until years later when we started going to the studio, recording this album, thatís when he started developing his own style and his own stuff. I remember he was heavy in to using the EPS, the Ensoniq EPS and then the ASR came out, the ASR-10. I remember thatís when he brought it to the studio and recorded the Graveyard Chamber beat. The thing is, I was so in to technology back then, like up and coming technologyÖ but what was cool about him is he just did his stuff unorthodox, he just put stuff in off-beat, put in snares manually you know haha, and it kinda made me go back on what I was doing. Technically what he was doing was off, but it felt right and sounded right. Thatís how it was when he came with Graveyard Chamber. It was a late night in the studio and I was like yo we need another beat. RZA said he would come up with something and in pure RZA style he made some stuff on the spot. He was like ok I got this sound, I got this ideaÖ and I just watched him on the Ensoniq. It was real late because we had the graveyard session; it was like 12 at midnight till 8 in the morning. He came up, all the guys came through, he created the beat and I remember it got to a point where I was like yo man Iím sleepy I gotta go home haha. I came back the next day and it was done, I was like what?!! I think I was there for a couple of the rhymes, like when Dreddy Kruger got on, he killed it. I think I watched Poetic, and I remember RZA wrote his rhyme while we were out on the road.

P82: I read that you sat in on some of the early Wu-Tang recording sessionsÖ? What was that likeÖ?

PAUL: Well Iím used to going to studio sessions and thereís usually a lot of people in there, everybody vibing off, somebody is writing here, people doing stuff, people talkingÖ but they were just so focussed on getting it done, it was a bunch of dudes in the studio and the energy to me was like having a football team. And in the middle of it all was the coach Ė The RZA. The beautiful thing was that they had so much respect for the RZA, every word that he said, the cats really respected and looked up to him and to me it was really impressive because RZA had a lot of respect for me. So what was even more impressive at the timeÖ as they looked up to him, he was coming to me and asking me yo what do you think Paul? And I was like Wow! It was a nice thing to come in to a lot of those sessions and get respect for being I guess what was called an OG at the time. Just the vibe of those sessions though, cats were hungry man they were really ready to get it done and they were really excited, excited for each other and to me I was impressed. It was good times back then man, even though I was going through a little depression it was nice to see guys together and wanting to succeed. This was before all of the money and the fame and everything kicked in. They were really in to getting that album done.

P82: Back to the Gravediggaz album, can you tell me about Death TrapÖ

PAUL: Yeah, I like 7 Minutes Of Funk and nobody ever used the version with the bongos in it, everybody always used the 12 inch version. I remember Bambaataa used to rock it all the time so I was like yo I wanna do a version of that song. I played it for them and they thought ok itís something kinda new on the album because everything had been going one way, so yeah letís use this one. I went and asked Masta Ace to do the intro which I thought would be kinda ironic because he had just done the SlaughtaHouse album and he kinda mimicked all of that. He was in our studio at the time; we were all at Firehouse Studio so it was kinda easy to get him on the intro. I think Poetic came up with the concept of what they should talk about on that track.

P82: Then we come to 6 Feet Deep which is another track produced by The RZA. I read that the basis of the beat was some live instrumentation that RZA sampledÖ

PAUL: Yeah, one day we were in GLC Studios and I think it was before the engineer got in, he came in late and they had a live room with different instruments like drums, guitars, tambourines, pianos and stuff. So here is all of us waiting for the engineer to come in and weíre like yo letís see if we can get somebody to run the DAT tape and we just started playing the instruments. I think I was on the drums, RZA was on the piano, Frukwan was on the guitar if I remember correctly and PoeticÖ I think he had a tambourine or something haha. So all these guys who canít play anything, and weíre just kinda vibing and laughing and joking and recording stuff. It was all on one DAT tape, and once in a while weíd get in to a groove and weíd come up with something that I thought was pretty slick. RZA took the DAT tape and I was like yo man I want a copy of thatÖ I never got a copy of it. So he took bits and pieces of what we recorded and he sampled it on his ASR and added a baseline and a beat. I was like yo thatís crazy, thatís the session we did! I want a copy! I still never got a copy, haha. So he took the stuff that we played and sampled it and made that song.

P82: The last track is Rest In Peace (Outro) which is another dark beatÖ

PAUL: Yeah in putting the album together we had the intro so I wanted to put an outro on there too, kinda summing up what we did. I think it was just me, Frukwan and Poetic, RZA was coming late to the studio. So I was like yo this needs some type of ending and the guys were thinking about it, I guess I didnít explain it properly. So then RZA came in, I was like yo this is what Iím trying to do, just sum it up you know, to end the record. I let him hear the beat and the first take he nailed it, he knew exactly what I wanted, he got it. And then everybody else just followed his lead, thatís why heís the one main vocal right to the end and everybody else was just kinda vibing off what he was saying and I just produced around it.

P82: When I spoke to you last time you mentioned that you put the album together almost like a jigsaw puzzle, as in all of the MCís werenít always there at the same time. Did that make it even more of a challenge for you to make the album sound as cohesive as it doesÖ?

PAUL: Of course and to me I like challenges like that. I like sitting and putting things together. Itís hard but thereís a feeling of accomplishment at the end of the day because nobody knows better. Like on Diary Of A Madman, nobody knows that song was all over the place, there was no type concept to that song. But to make a concept to it and to put it together in that way and to grow and they donít know any different. To me it was lifting my ego too you know what Iím saying? At the time I thought I was kinda wack, people werenít feeling me so Iím gonna have to show them how nice I am, let me really showcase some production skills. If it didnít get respect from the people that listened to the album, which when the album came out it wasnít a big record, but to the guys I worked with like Poetic, Frukwan and RZA they knew all the work I put in to the album so to get their respect, to me it was important.

P82: Did you do much touring in support of the albumÖ?

PAUL: Yeah, yeah we toured. We toured over in Europe, we did a tour of Japan and we toured the States with Wu-Tang when Wu-Tang first came out. We did a lot of press. The thing is it was just at the time when Craig Mack and Biggie Smalls came in. So we were doing one thing but that other type of sound started popping. So when people looked at us like Gravediggaz? Ahh man this is a gimmick! We kinda got swept under the rug even though Diary Of A Madman for I think like a couple of days in New York City was the number one requested single. And it had no hook! So that was pretty cool but for the most part people thought it was a gimmick which kinda hurt my feelings because I worked hard on that album. I really worked hard on that album. I think if it came out like two years earlier it would have been a big record. If it came out at the time that I put the group together, if it came out during that time I think the album would have been way bigger.

P82: So what are your overall thoughts on the album nowÖ?

PAUL: Iím still satisfied with this record; itís probably my favourite record that Iíve done and I donít like too many records that I produced. I think the records Iíve done are ok, but that one I listen to and I enjoy it from front to back. When I listen to the album itís a little different for me because I hear all of the production and all the hard work. Iím sure it would be ok if I came to the studio, did the rhymes and then Iím goneÖ but I pieced a lot of that together so when I listen to it Iím usually like wow I canít believe I did that and the equipment I did it on. Now everything is done via computer. I did everything on DAS-950ís, I had a sequencing program called Master Tracks and I used the SP-12, did things by writing stuff down on paper and numbers. There were no screens to look at and move things so it was hard. So when I listen to it I appreciate a lot of the hard work. When I listen to it I miss Poetic because throughout the whole project me and him were probably the closest, he was a Long Island dude, we talked all the time. It was nice at the end of the day for guys like Poetic and Frukwan, them especially, to be able to buy cars, take care of their families. So for me to help provide that, to me that was a better feeling.

P82: Thanks for taking the time to speak with me, Iíve taken up a bit more of your time that I probably should haveÖ

PAUL: I didnít even look at the time man, haha. I appreciate it man. Take care.

I hope you enjoyed the read... I had an absolute blast doing this interview. Paul is the coolest, most humble guy ever!!

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You should have asked him if a new gravediggaz albums coming. They were talking about it a while ago.
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This interview was dope as hell. It was great to revisit the album track by track following your interview. It never really dawned on me how long this album was in the works. I just assumed it was recorded after 36 Chambers.

You need a thread stickied with links to all your interviews like the master album reviews thread.
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This interview was dope as hell. It was great to revisit the album track by track following your interview. It never really dawned on me how long this album was in the works. I just assumed it was recorded after 36 Chambers.

You need a thread stickied with links to all your interviews like the master album reviews thread.
Thanks for the props man. I had a blast doing this interview, Paul is cool as hell!!

I've been bangin' nothing but Gravediggaz shit for the last week or so now.

And yeah, I kinda make a point of my interviews being in depth and asking the questions that the real fans wanna see, rather than the shit you sometimes see where the interviewer hasnt got a fuckin' clue what they're talking about.

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Thanks for that Patch, I always enjoy these interviews you conduct, always asking the right ?'s. A lot of good info, Paul was always heavily underrated in my book & Gravediggaz albums especially. Can you imagine if Eazy had signed them??!!, who knows we could've had an Eazy/Rza collab or NWA/Wutang Collab down the road. Gravediggaz was 1 of my favorite groups when they dropped, Im hoping for a new album possibly in the near future. Im glad that RNS/RZA production ? on DOM was resolved, I always wondered about that myself. Peace.

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Reading this has got me wondering about that Diary of a Madman sample. I vaguely remember hearing that wailing voice in a car commercial when I was very young. I want to say Audi or Lexus. I want to try and see if I can find it!
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