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Old 02-17-2006, 10:52 AM   #1
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Nat Turner was born in Southampton, Virginia on 2nd October, 1800. Nat, the son of slaves, was the property of Benjamin Turner, a prosperous plantation owner. Nat's mother and grandmother had been brought to America from Africa and had a deep hatred of slavery.

Nat grew up sharing his mother's view of slavery. Taught to read by his master's son, Nat developed deep religious beliefs and encouraged by his parents, gradually began to believe that God had chosen him to lead his people out of slavery.

In 1831 Turner was sold to Joseph Travis. In February of that year an eclipse of the sun convinced Turner that this was a supernatural sign from God to start an insurrection. However, it wasn't until August 21st that Turner and about seven other slaves killed Travis and his family to launch his rebellion. In all, about 50 whites were killed.

Turner had hoped this his action would cause a massive slave uprising but only 75 joined his rebellion. Over 3,000 members of the state militia were sent to deal with Turner's rebellion, and they were soon defeated. In retaliation, more than a hundred innocent slaves were killed. Turner went into hiding but was captured six weeks later. Nat Turner was executed on 11th November, 1831.



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Old 02-17-2006, 10:58 AM   #2
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My master, who belonged to the church, and other religious persons who visited the house, and whom I often saw at prayers, noticing the singularity of my manners, I suppose, and my uncommon intelligence for a child, remarked I had too much sense to be raised, and if I was, I would never be of any service to any one as a slave. To a mind like mine, restless, inquisitive and observant of every thing that was passing, it is easy to suppose that religion was the subject to which it would be directed. The manner in which I learned to read and write, not only had great influence on my own mind, as I acquired it with the most perfect ease, so much so, that I have no recollection whatever of learning the alphabet--but to the astonishment of the family, one day, when a book was sewn me to keep me from crying, I began spelling the names of different objects - this was a source of wonder to all in the neighborhood, particularly the blacks - and this learning was constantly improved at all opportunities.




(5) Henry H. Garnet, speech on slavery in Buffalo, New York (16 August 1843)
The patriotic Nathaniel Turner was goaded to desperation by wrong and injustice. By Despotism, his name has been recorded on the list of infamy, but future generations will number him upon the noble and brave.
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Was he wrong for learning how to read? NO

Was he wrong for wanting be free from slavery? NO

Was he wrong for killing he slavemasters ? NO

But, I feel that he was wrong in his belief that a slave rebellion/uprising would free his people. They were out-numbered and out-gunned.

If this was his belief then I am wondering what would make him think such a thing...And, if there was an alternative form of action for him to take in that day and time.
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Old 02-17-2006, 12:35 PM   #4
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He Felt He Was Sent By God To Lead The Rebellion And That This Same God Would Make Him Victorious - That Belief In That Spook God Got Alot Of Us Killed
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wrong ?!, how. he was able to read in turn got ideas from reading about a god who was for justice and put those in to practice. as for being an appointed leader that could be said about any person who assumes a leadership position without the votes/confidence of the masses. god ordained that was not a far fetch. i think that the john brown rebellion and the likes were either to bring courage and something akin to hope for the ones who did not realize the situation for not being able to 'read' as reading or any learning could have had him killed. so he took nmatters in own hands and the price his life though in his heart and mind was following a plan more divine.
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That's a beautiful persepective, dif.

But, you said rebellion could bring hope to the people...I have to disagree, because what good is false hope?

Getting yourself and your people slaughtered can only serve to strike fear in the hearts of the others who witness such a thing...
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they killed so many of us after Nat did what he did

and tightened up their watch

and devised more plans to make us docile


our situation got worst

check the willie lynch speech


lynch ?

he wasn't wrong though

but the tricksters got trickier after the rebellion


a real rebellion would have been great

imagine if he got all of them

would have been so sweet
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he fought for what he thought was right in his mind or heart or both. arebellion is like ashort fuse that blows back in your face though i doubt nat knew the extent of forces hewasup against. he did what he didbased on simple readingsnot in depth planning and strategy more like smash and grab then watch and plot.

so is a rebellion like a renegade task force amongst the people that can be cancerous to the group as a whole while on otherside you have those who are cancerous from standpoint just get along and put head down ?

when things like willie lynch happen do they sow seeds of either hope or despair and in either cae do the some people look to alleviate knowing whether schooled or not that some innate inherent disservice to rightswere being down pressed by those who did the redressing of liberties ?
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Legato,

Are you saying that if black people decided to have a rebellion against the establishment in these days that, they wouldn't get slaughtered?

I mean compared to Dr. Khalid or Malcolm X, or Elijah Muhammad, I can see the error in Nat Turner's plan.

If all the blacks in America staged an uprising against whitey right now we would get mowed down.

What that spook god belief that Nat Turner had did was let him forget about logic and gave him the false hope of being victorious of the slavemasters by, brute strength...impossible.

Out numbered and out gunned...gotta think strategically.
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one had a god for a spook now days we have a spook watching their guard.
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Lol - They Ain't Using Guns In Rebellions In Wars No More - Try Anthrax And Hiv - And Even Deeper Shit - If We Were All To Pick Up Guns And Rebel Right Now, They'll Have Us Lookin Like Them Zombies In Resident Evil - What We Gonna Do ?

Shoot People And Ask The Same People For Food And Water ?

Any One Who Controls Your Food Controls Your Revolution



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And He's Doing A Good Job Of Destroying Himself In His Lies And Trickery - Violence Will Not Make Us Victorious - Although It Is Inevitable
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Lol - They Ain't Using Guns In Rebellions No More - Try Anthrax And Hiv - And Even Deeper Shit - If We Were All To Pick Up Guns And Rebel Right Now, They'll Have Us Lookin Like Them Zombies In Resident Evil - What We Gonna Do ?

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Legato,

That's exactly what I was saying by strategic thinking...wasn't nobody coming to Nat Turner's rescue...not even close, not even maybe.

now, shit is different...but, I ain't ready to take the chance of getting mowed down...can't rely on them other cats.
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that i hear you can't act until you know that those behind are like the wall to hold you and not a rock to fold you down. with too many driven towards their own ends the means for action becomes diuluted through splinters which is the divide and conquer theory per se. they want to guarantee theirs as a person before the group there are no big i's or little u's jjust us two in the universe where we all converge to give the knowledge ensuoing the community's rewards.
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for sho, I 'm always thinking bout the seeds. Gotta protect them^^
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