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Old 02-19-2006, 12:05 AM   #16
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Nat Turner was right in doing what he did. Consider the alternative.
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Old 02-19-2006, 12:39 AM   #17
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I think that Nat Turner's principal idea was right, you know if I was oppressed I'd die for freedom. But what if one of his followers killed his old master's son who taught him how to read? I mean they seemed to be randomly killing, and that son who tried to help Nat (and did by educating him) was white and could've gotten unlawfully killed.
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Old 02-19-2006, 02:03 AM   #18
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I think that Nat Turner's principal idea was right, you know if I was oppressed I'd die for freedom. But what if one of his followers killed his old master's son who taught him how to read? I mean they seemed to be randomly killing, and that son who tried to help Nat (and did by educating him) was white and could've gotten unlawfully killed.
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Old 02-22-2006, 12:34 PM   #19
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he was way ahead of his time

back in those days it would have been EASY to overthrow the imperialist usa
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Old 02-22-2006, 12:42 PM   #20
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He was probably not right in the head, not such a bad thing at all. His way was quite reactionary, and violent. Which usually are bad things.
But, for him, at the time, I'd challenge anyone to say they wouldn't do the exact same thing he did.

Taking over the US then would have been quite difficult, many people had already tried and failed, from the inside and the outside.

It's never been easier than now. For foreiners anyway.
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Old 02-22-2006, 06:56 PM   #21
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you must be joking

right now they got helicopters with heat sensors tazers cars that go 100 plus mph......then if the police can't beat you they got the army marines navy and so on and so on......they won't hesitate to drop some radiation on you......

back in nats time you had a bunch of out of shape devils with muskets and shit.....please
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Old 02-22-2006, 07:12 PM   #22
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he was right, but he was reckless.

if you fail to plan, you plan to fail.
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he did plan

but he relied on a spook god to help him



the same thing happened to jesus
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Old 02-23-2006, 12:23 PM   #24
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he did plan

but he relied on a spook god to help him
he relied on the Great Spirit like many a warrior has done in times of battle....only the basest of men rely on their sword alone imo



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the same thing happened to jesus
yeshua layed down his life for his people...he knew from the jump what his mission was
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Old 02-23-2006, 04:30 PM   #25
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he relied on the Great Spirit like many a warrior has done in times of battle....only the basest of men rely on their sword alone imo

relied on the great spirit to do what ?


what is this great spirit ?


where does it live ?





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yeshua layed down his life for his people...he knew from the jump what his mission was

according to what story ?


Matthew 27:46
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"


i see this scripture in the bible as jesus relying on "the great spirit" to save him from death and jesus then feeling betrayed
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Old 02-23-2006, 04:42 PM   #26
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relied on the great spirit to do what ?
make sure when they shot their enemy/swung their blade that aim was straight and to its mark


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what is this great spirit ?
air, sky, water, earth, light, dark, ancestors, the first cause, energy etc


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where does it live ?
inside and outside of self




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according to what story ?


Matthew 27:46
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"


i see this scripture in the bible as jesus relying on "the great spirit" to save him from death and jesus then feeling betrayed
up to that point yeshua was willing to do what he had to do...and in reality one can't walk their child and hold their hand into every realm they may be required to enter into.... sometimes they just have to trust that their parent gave them the wisdom to take the next step into that next level of life....

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make sure when they shot their enemy/swung their blade that aim was straight and to its mark




air, sky, water, earth, light, dark, ancestors, the first cause, energy etc




inside and outside of self








up to that point yeshua was willing to do what he had to do...and in reality one can't walk their child and hold their hand into every realm they may be required to enter into.... sometimes they just have to trust that their parent gave them the wisdom to take the next step into that next level of life....

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but you said he realized his mission like if he was down to die for it


him crying out asking "why have you forgotten me" tells me different




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.. sometimes they just have to trust that their parent gave them the wisdom to take the next step into that next level of life....

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another level of life after death ?
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but you said he realized his mission like if he was down to die for it


him crying out asking "why have you forgotten me" tells me different
no doubt the mission was understood....and like when a child is left alone on their first day of kindergarten class...and the protection of the parent is no longer present...and it fears and feels forsaken....and what takes place is DEATH (in my scnerio it's symbolic)....which MUST take place in order for there to be REBIRTH



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another level of life after death ?
yea...another level of existence

some would say it's going back into the 'real world'

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he did plan

but he relied on a spook god to help him



the same thing happened to jesus
except that dieing on the cross was jesus's plan. so i guess jesus succeeded in his death.
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except that dieing on the cross was jesus's plan. so i guess jesus succeeded in his death.
ok he died and now what ?


a thousand something years later, his people was brought to america and was slaughtered - where the hell is he ?


waiting on a planet as a ghost waiting for the right time to save us ?


fuck that

i ain't waiting to die to recieve no heaven
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