Are we a product?

[SlightlySlightedFan]

Originally Posted by Wamukota X

The colonialism I was refering to is the colonization of our physical and mental bodies.

Please be this specific in future.

[THE W]

do you guys believe that resources are limited or that everyone could have the same things(luxury house, luxury car, good food, etc)?

[LHX]

Originally Posted by wadeDyNaMiTe

do you guys believe that resources are limited or that everyone could have the same things(luxury house, luxury car, good food, etc)?

we can have the same thing

but
not luxury



thats something that peeps got to find on their own

[THE W]

Originally Posted by LHX

we can have the same thing

but
not luxury



thats something that peeps got to find on their own

so you do believe that resources are limited?

[LHX]

Originally Posted by wadeDyNaMiTe

so you do believe that resources are limited?

is a tricky question

i would say that resources are unlimited
BUT
what we are witnessing is the consumption of resources faster than the planet is able to regenerate resources


so
if you stretch the timeline out
we will run out of resources
BUT
as soon as their is nobody to consume the resources any more
the planet will begin producing resources once again

[THE W]

so resources are unlimted but not inexaustable...interesting.

i myself believe that the resources that are available could alocated a lot better. there could be a place where resources are not just given away but they could be A LOT more easily accessible. i dont think the prices for many things is based on maintaining resources but more about capitolizing on peoples needs.

im not saying lets take from the rich anf give to the poor(but maybe thats ultimately what would happen) but make resources and goods(especially essential resources and goods) more accessible.

[LHX]

ultimately
its a question of what we do with resources

it is a law of thermodynamics that nothing is ever destroyed - it only changes form

so
when we use resources
we arent destroying them

instead - we are converting them into a form that can no longer be readily used by us


so now
we have taken all this fuel from the ground
and converted it to metal in the air

humans cannot really thrive when there is metal in the air

we call it 'pollution'
and
'toxicity'


the costs of production go beyond simply using up our resources

they create scarcity of resources
which leads to competition and conflict between people
and
they also help produce an environment that cannot sustain human life




resources could definitely be allocated better

peace

[THE W]

Originally Posted by LHX

the costs of production go beyond simply using up our resources

they create scarcity of resources
which leads to competition and conflict between people
and
they also help produce an environment that cannot sustain human life

so you say that the MAIN reason the price of gas to fuel our cars and heat our homes has skyrocketted was to protect the environment?

[LHX]

no

if they really wanted to protect the environment

gas would cost a shit load more
to the point that nobody could afford it



back in the 60s or 70s
buckminster fuller did a study on the price of gas

he said that is fuel was to accurately reflect the REAL value (environmentally AND production costs) on the planet
then fuel would cost approximately $300 000 (three hundred thousand) dollars per liter

and that was 30-40 years ago



is society doomed?
you tell me

[LHX]

Originally Posted by LHX

no

if they really wanted to protect the environment

gas would cost a shit load more
to the point that nobody could afford it



back in the 60s or 70s
buckminster fuller did a study on the price of gas

he said that is fuel was to accurately reflect the REAL value (environmentally AND production costs) on the planet
then fuel would cost approximately $300 000 (three hundred thousand) dollars per liter

and that was 30-40 years ago



is society doomed?
you tell me

my bad

i gave some false information
fuller was working at cost of fuel per gallon not liter

here is the wikipedia entry --

Viewing petroleum from the standpoint of its replacement cost out of our current energy "budget" (essentially the incoming solar flux), he declared that it had cost nature "over a million dollars" per U.S. gallon ($300,000/L) to produce. From this point of view its use as a transportation fuel by people commuting to work represents a huge net loss compared to their earnings.

[THE W]

to have people pay that much wouldnt be very socially conscious. i dont think the prices now are all that socially conscious either and its not like they're spending money to make gasoline more environmentally sound since it was reported on the news that gas companies are recording record profits.

[LHX]

just like a farmer uses the seeds from this years harvest
as the foundation for next years harvest

an intelligent petroleum farmer would be using the proceeds from this years harvest to make sure that we will even have a society next year

but
it isnt working that way



back in the day when we had no idea how scarce fuel was
we had an excuse to keep it coming
but now
we know we cant keep it up
but
were fucked because now our society depends on it

like a junky who cant kick a habit



whats worse?
making a move that isnt socially conscious?
or
not having a society to be conscious about?

[THE W]

we better start looking for other energy sources sometime around now then. start working on that water-powered vehicle.

you'd think with all the technology we have we would have been found some alternative.

[LHX]

either that
or
get used to walking

or maybe learn to build boats

[galt john galt]

self-sufficency as the first and last resource. enter interdependentcy for resourses in sufficent to have be.