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Old 10-08-2005, 02:22 PM   #76
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Default Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

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the fact that the universe is still bases on randomness yet works like a clock most of the times.. leaves the important room for the mere idea of God.

as well as lay down how God would be necessary to control randomness.. and why on Earth.. there is so much evil and what makes people so confused as to why God made what he did.

its because man sees through a small mind, that we only see what we do.. quantum future indicates that there is a common consciousness and a God who is the master of this.

quantum physics lays down the realm that.. God is no spook, but an essentuial form/ which cannot be seen due to SPACE/TIME theory, yet a force/consciousness to which we become united with.
i think this still complicates the issue too much
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Old 10-08-2005, 02:23 PM   #77
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yes indeed.. finally somebody who knows something about this.

you see these are the emans by which man can now see the universe on a wider level..

the fact that the universe is still bases on randomness yet works like a clock most of the times.. leaves the important room for the mere idea of God.

as well as lay down how God would be necessary to control randomness.. and why on Earth.. there is so much evil and what makes people so confused as to why God made what he did.

its because man sees through a small mind, that we only see what we do.. quantum future indicates that there is a common consciousness and a God who is the master of this.

quantum physics lays down the realm that.. God is no spook, but an essentuial form/ which cannot be seen due to SPACE/TIME theory, yet a force/consciousness to which we become united with.
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i agree with you wholeheartedly!

my "crusade" is against the superstitious concept of an almighty father figure.. not the potential of of a "God" that is shed light on thru understanding of quantum mechanics.

imo the idea and concept of "god" that is hinted toward when one understands quantum physics is greater and mor epowerful and more far reaching than any concept of a supernatural father figure.. it makes all of that look like backwater nonsense.. if a "god" exists, the concept is so unimaginable and greater than what religion has ever conceived!
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Old 10-08-2005, 02:24 PM   #78
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i think this still complicates the issue too much
yes.. but the truth is soemthing that everybody thinks they have found..

it it was all that simple.. there is no need to debate..

the mind/sceince/universe/god is a complex matter..


quantum thought is definitely another new/old step to view things
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Old 10-08-2005, 02:25 PM   #79
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i think this still complicates the issue too much
its complicated but imo necessary for trying to understand the essense of what is meant by "god"

thru quantum mechanics we are led to believe or conclude that among other things, the world at its most distilled form must be under the control (or atleast vigilance) of a silent observer.. an "objective lens" thru which all exists
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Old 10-08-2005, 02:26 PM   #80
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i agree with you wholeheartedly!

my "crusade" is against the superstitious concept of an almighty father figure.. not the potential of of a "God" that is shed light on thru understanding of quantum mechanics.

imo the idea and concept of "god" that is hinted toward when one understands quantum physics is greater and mor epowerful and more far reaching than any concept of a supernatural father figure.. it makes all of that look like backwater nonsense.. if a "god" exists, the concept is so unimaginable and greater than what religion has ever conceived!
i so agree here.. much props..

indeed the God explained thorugh these emans is definitely more powerful than any man depiction.. because we see the entire truth much more deeply..

scinece can always erase the God that religion depicts.. but never the picture of God which IS. (imo i respect ur position)

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Default Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

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it it was all that simple.. there is no need to debate..

the mind/sceince/universe/god is a complex matter..
noooooooooooo way dude

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its about time

i been agreeing with you for like 6 months now

finally we get something to discuss



my understanding is that as technology and communication advances it is to APPEAR as a complex matter

peeling off layers of information tho
it really and truly is the simplest thing
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Old 10-08-2005, 02:29 PM   #82
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thru quantum mechanics we are led to believe or conclude that among other things, the world at its most distilled form must be under the control (or atleast vigilance) of a silent observer.. an "objective lens" thru which all exists
no no noooooooooooooooooooooooo way

a silent observer?

isnt that me when i am not communicating or seeking knowledge?
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Old 10-08-2005, 02:32 PM   #83
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noooooooooooo way dude

fuck
its about time

i been agreeing with you for like 6 months now

finally we get something to discuss



my understanding is that as technology and communication advances it is to APPEAR as a complex matter

peeling off layers of information tho
it really and truly is the simplest thing
man i know... u one of the guys here i can truly discuss things with
lol scorp vet at heart :P


but i know.. quantum is definitely a new subject and a deep one which takes time to sink in.

its a simple idea but with far reaching consequences
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Old 10-08-2005, 02:34 PM   #84
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no no noooooooooooooooooooooooo way

a silent observer?

isnt that me when i am not communicating or seeking knowledge?
well ur part of this consciousness

BUT... u are trapped up in physicality..

you gta be able to control SPACE/TIME to control alll dimensions and see whats really true
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no no noooooooooooooooooooooooo way

a silent observer?

isnt that me when i am not communicating or seeking knowledge?
no.. according to theoretical quantum mechanics, u are not a silent observer.. the most u can be is a silent "perceiver".. with no way to gauge "objective reality"
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Default Re: Does Geometry prove a God's Existence?

the thing about quantum theory is that at the end it disproves itself

to be honest - it seems like quantum theory uproots the entire validity of newtonian science and quite possible every other discipline that came after the use of hieroglyphics
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no.. according to theoretical quantum mechanics, u are not a silent observer.. the most u can be is a silent "perceiver".. with no way to gauge "objective reality"
you mean no way to explain objective reality


there is a massive difference

and that difference is prolly the crux of this discussion
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you are a silent observer

until you seek to explain what you are observing


because our tools of definition and communication are ineffective
you come across as somebody/thing who is simply perceiving subjectively
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not really what i mean.. we could explain objective reality and what it most likely would probably consist of.. it consists of a range of "possibilities"

but we, the mere "perceivers" have no way to gage objective reality in practice in our lives.
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not really what i mean.. we could explain objective reality and what it most likely would probably consist of.. it consists of a range of "possibilities"

but we, the mere "perceivers" have no way to gage objective reality in practice in our lives.
that is correct.

objective reality is what we assume

the real reality is much more bigger

and we cannot get this as we are not control of objective reality

hope i make sense..
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