'truth' and responsibility

[Aqua Luna]

Originally Posted by LHX

you can call the devil out all you want

he aint listening
and he aint gonna come when you call him out

and he is smart enough to make you look like the devil for calling him out



if you already have allegiance to the truth
then what does it matter if you call the devil out
or
you wait until he has no choice but to face you?

Who cares if the DEVIL listens??

P.E.A.C.E to the Nation of Gods and Earths

Don't you know that the devil can't face the Truth?

I'll expose his illusions and the people who love the devil will fight to keep their illusions because ignorance makes them happy.

So they can't say they were not warned...'I never promised you a rose garden'

[Frontal Lobotomy]

I dunno about nations of gods and earths or any of that stuff, that ain't the road i walk. But with regard to taking responsibility, I see where you're all going. Eric is right in that the 9/11 lie needs to be made 'black and white' so that the people are forced to recognise. Only when people recognise, can they take responsibility. It goes beyond the whole 9/11 thing, it includes it all; the AIDS fiasco, what the church uses to maintain a stranglehold on western morality, what gives the elite their motivation and power to rule all behind closed doors, all that crap and more. Recognition is the key, we can go around spewing out crap about whose fault it is for whatever, but it won't make a shitter of difference, as blame is what only starts wars and crap anyway. Granted, Aqua's devil portrait holds some validity as white 'men' have shaped this world, but if black 'men' were the original gods, then they were the first to throw spears and rocks, and kill one another, thus starting the chain reaction. So I guess in some indirect way, we can all take responsibility for our own shortcomings. The one question that remains is, how long have we got to admit we all fucked up before it all comes to an end?

[Wooly Noggins]

Originally Posted by LHX

you can call the devil out all you want

he aint listening

its not for him to hear

Originally Posted by LHX

and he aint gonna come when you call him out

no one is inviting him

Originally Posted by LHX

and he is smart enough to make you look like the devil for calling him out

he can only use lies do that - and he can only do that in the dark

not when the sun is out

Originally Posted by LHX

if you already have allegiance to the truth
then what does it matter if you call the devil out
or
you wait until he has no choice but to face you?

the devil gets upset when he's called out, to counter this, he uses lies,slander and even murder - and this proves those who call him out right
plus it wakes those who never saw him for who he really is

[Wooly Noggins]

Originally Posted by Paper_Shapes

I dunno about nations of gods and earths or any of that stuff, that ain't the road i walk. But with regard to taking responsibility, I see where you're all going. Eric is right in that the 9/11 lie needs to be made 'black and white' so that the people are forced to recognise. Only when people recognise, can they take responsibility. It goes beyond the whole 9/11 thing, it includes it all; the AIDS fiasco, what the church uses to maintain a stranglehold on western morality, what gives the elite their motivation and power to rule all behind closed doors, all that crap and more. Recognition is the key, we can go around spewing out crap about whose fault it is for whatever, but it won't make a shitter of difference, as blame is what only starts wars and crap anyway. Granted, Aqua's devil portrait holds some validity as white 'men' have shaped this world, but if black 'men' were the original gods, then they were the first to throw spears and rocks, and kill one another, thus starting the chain reaction. So I guess in some indirect way, we can all take responsibility for our own shortcomings. The one question that remains is, how long have we got to admit we all fucked up before it all comes to an end?

spears and rocks huh ?


before the devil plundered and captured us, we built pyramids,had underground plumbing, made and used high science and math, and was the source for all knowledge of how to work this earth -


after he left with the booty all that was left was the old the very young the weak and unuseable earth/soil - he came back a couple of hundreds of years to film/picture the damage he has caused -



we were then found naked and primitive - stripped of everything that we once built and taught the world to build - the white man is not an evolved version of the black man he is a dissolved version of us -



and they used us to build their empire - he could not have risen to power with out us and when we leave he will have nothing but robots and concrete -



he was made for a purpose and he served his purpose

[Wooly Noggins]

Originally Posted by Legato

you are aware that the devil tells more truth than lie? 99% truth 1% lie. no one has to lie to make another person seem devilish, the truth will do just fine.

i think i understand what your saying


he tells the truth because he is a narcissist and needs to bring attention to his evilness to make himself feel powerful

but he coats it with with a lie so that you can draw up your own picture and try to guess what he really means - he is a crafty unclear subliminal speaking creature for shure

[Wooly Noggins]

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

i think i understand what your saying


he tells the truth because he is a narcissist and needs to bring attention to his evilness to make himself feel powerful

but he coats it with with a lie so that you can draw up your own picture and try to guess what he really means - he is a crafty unclear subliminal speaking creature for shure

i know a few niggas who do the same shit

[Frontal Lobotomy]

Ok, so spears and rocks were prehaps not the most tasteful analogy, but my point still remains, and I think you really missed it out, Wooly. I hear what you're saying about pyramids, and high science and all that other stuff, I can relate to what you're saying. But still, when building this grand empire, people were still expendable, I bet this noble and grand race of people were still not above raping and killing, and all the other wonderful things that we as a modern society still thrive on. It also strikes me as interesting that patriarchy still is an underlying theme going through all of this. Black, White, it don't matter a fuck as it still men if you see what I mean.
Grand science? We're still animals whatever way you look at it, we still find that males dominate, and we like to kill to show how strong we are. Now given that the theme of the thread is responsibility, I think perhaps we should address that which we're all in part responsible for, regardless of the belief system blame game.

[LHX]

Originally Posted by Aqua Luna

Who cares if the DEVIL listens??

P.E.A.C.E to the Nation of Gods and Earths

Don't you know that the devil can't face the Truth?

I'll expose his illusions and the people who love the devil will fight to keep their illusions because ignorance makes them happy.

So they can't say they were not warned...'I never promised you a rose garden'

good points

[LHX]

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

its not for him to hear





no one is inviting him



he can only use lies do that - and he can only do that in the dark

not when the sun is out




the devil gets upset when he's called out, to counter this, he uses lies,slander and even murder - and this proves those who call him out right
plus it wakes those who never saw him for who he really is

maybe there is some under-estimating going on here

the devil will take whatever form it needs to to trick you

even the form of an intelligent and open-minded person calling out the devil


ultimately
we can only know for sure who walks right and who doesnt when all this shit is said and done

its the nature of the situation


anything before that is hunches and speculation

nothing more



the devil is a master strategist

[LHX]

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

i think i understand what your saying


he tells the truth because he is a narcissist and needs to bring attention to his evilness to make himself feel powerful

but he coats it with with a lie so that you can draw up your own picture and try to guess what he really means - he is a crafty unclear subliminal speaking creature for shure

what?

telling the truth will bring attention to a narcissist?

[Wooly Noggins]

Originally Posted by LHX

maybe there is some under-estimating going on here

the devil will take whatever form it needs to to trick you

the devil cannot be reformed - he/they are in the form that they were made and can no longer use their tricks and lies to decieve those of us who are awake to his madness -

Originally Posted by LHX

even the form of an intelligent and open-minded person calling out the devil

he might be able to trick those who are sleep if he comes as one who understands the plight of the oppressed - but not the awake - one who calls out the devil has to have a high level of love for the oppressed - they know him and he knows them -

Originally Posted by LHX

ultimately
we can only know for sure who walks right and who doesnt when all this shit is said and done

its the nature of the situation

those of us who walk in the muds have a hard walk and a hard talk - the pressure is on us and not on the oppressors children - his pressure comes from the oppressed exposing his daddy for the crafty creature he is

Originally Posted by LHX

anything before that is hunches and speculation

nothing more



the devil is a master strategist

he is a master to those who know no better - his power is in the those who he deceived - and he is losing those

[Wooly Noggins]

Originally Posted by LHX

what?

telling the truth will bring attention to a narcissist?

yes - he always winds up telling on himself

[LHX]

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

the devil cannot be reformed - he/they are in the form that they were made and can no longer use their tricks and lies to decieve those of us who are awake to his madness -

would you agree that the devil is a tool
and
not something to be reformed?

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

he might be able to trick those who are sleep if he comes as one who understands the plight of the oppressed - but not the awake - one who calls out the devil has to have a high level of love for the oppressed - they know him and he knows them -

agreed

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

those of us who walk in the muds have a hard walk and a hard talk - the pressure is on us and not on the oppressors children - his pressure comes from the oppressed exposing his daddy for the crafty creature he is

i have to disagree with this
it seems that the oppressors children do not want to be alive
yet
they are afraid to die
and are also trapped in the vortex of desire

once they stay in this trap for long enough
- if their bodies can tolerate it -
they develop the tendencies of the oppressor

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

he is a master to those who know no better - his power is in the those who he deceived - and he is losing those

slowly
and predictaby

[Wooly Noggins]

Originally Posted by LHX

would you agree that the devil is a tool
and
not something to be reformed?

he is there to reform not be reformed - he's that fire that you put steel in to shape it - when all the swords are sharp and ready to slice, you put the fire out

Originally Posted by LHX

i have to disagree with this
it seems that the oppressors children do not want to be alive
yet
they are afraid to die
and are also trapped in the vortex of desire

they want to live - but they want to live a life without the got dam devil - but he's a leech - always grabbing and devouring with his hands and mouth

Originally Posted by LHX

once they stay in this trap for long enough
- if their bodies can tolerate it -
they develop the tendencies of the oppressor

not if they have guides who see the traps clearly

[LHX]

Originally Posted by Wooly Noggins

he is there to reform not be reformed - he's that fire that you put steel in to shape it - when all the swords are sharp and ready to slice, you put the fire out

do you think there are people who are physically unable to understand this?