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Old 05-15-2006, 09:02 AM   #121
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So if people who has listened to him like 10+ years and put him on top3 then it's ok? Lol. What's the difference about the years altogether? 10 years, 5 years, 1 year. Who cares how much you've been listening to him. People just likes his music. Ofcourse there are people who listenes to Pac just because of him fame or whatever but there are also many true fans who has done a lot of research but Pac is still their favourite mc.

Anyway my statement is: Pac is hated just because of his fame. If he would not have this big fame then im sure most of you guys would love his music too. Because look at the other dead rappers like Big L, BIG, Big Pun, ODB etc. Pac is the only hated dead rapper but imo in overall he's same good or even better than BIG or Big L or anyone. So look, just don't notice his fame and you'll find that he deserves his place on the top mc's list.

I just can't understand why people are hating on him although he gave so much in hiphop and put his life in it. He did like 70 years work in 25 years. Who else has done 10 albums in this little period? I guess nobody. And that's the cause of his fame too i think. I mean these albums that have released after his death. He just did his work and now he is hated because of it. And if you look at it then you see it's so fucking wrong. Pac even didn't care about the fame too. You hear him saying "fuck the fame" in many songs if you listen to them.

Gambino you should have read the post's I did after the one you pulled me up on, then you would see that I was not hating on pac or hating on people that think pac is their favourate. I am a fan of pac myself it's just that after his death people where putting him up there as if he was the greatest thing to ever come to hip hop, I respect peoples opinions and that is what this thread is about, in one of my posts I stated that if you could tell me what made pac so great despite not being a great mc, people responded and to be fair some of their answers were valid but in my opinion to be considered the greatest mc you have to have mastered wordplay and while pac was visual in his lyrics and could flow he just didn't have the complex wordplay associated with other great mc's.

Looking at your age I think it's great that you're into pac and since you are on this site I imagine that you like wu too which is fantastic, but the point I was trying to make was that young people who where too young during the early to mid ninties just got caught up in all the mtv bullshit that keeps coming up about pac without actually knowing the full story and what you said to me about Nas proved my point.
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Old 05-15-2006, 09:06 AM   #122
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Old 05-15-2006, 09:12 AM   #123
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Ahh, here's someone that finally makes a point.

But - that's exactly why people like Tupac's music. It's real. Truthful. Nonfiction.

The same thing goes for hip hop today. People stop liking your Ja-Rule's after they've been exposed, and start liking 50 - cuz he's been shot and goes at rappers on every album. Everyone wants to know their favorite rappers history, credibility, etc.

Blame it all on the game.
So if you are saying that what made pac the greatest was because he truly lived what he rhymed about then would that mean that a few years down the line 50 would be remembered the same way?

Note:I not trying to be clever.
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Old 05-15-2006, 09:18 AM   #124
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I just can't understand why people are hating on him although he gave so much in hiphop and put his life in it. He did like 70 years work in 25 years. Who else has done 10 albums in this little period? I guess nobody. And that's the cause of his fame too i think..

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pac been in the studio his whole fuckin life..man he died and after that how many albums came out ??? i mean something like 7...rofl !!!7 albums, 4 of them double - all unrealised material...lol lol lol...them albums aint really great - they are fucked up most the times...but there are some classic cuts .... that nigga left the world with more tracks than many rappers will ever do - all unrea...now thats some real shit...makavelli was an ill album no doubt !"!! - to live and die in LA = classic cali anthem...right behind cali love

changes came out after he died too....thats one of my all time fav joints, honestly i dont see many rappers fuckin with that track..lol at pac on to live in die in LA..cali love pt 2, without gay ass dre...cracks me up every time i hear it..

pac = more classic songs than gza, deck, rza, warcloud and all them other lil kids u named multiplied with 10

no joke

i dont know about pac havin a classic album though..he has 2 i can argue about....me against the world was his best..shit is dope...but pac is one of the cats with the most classic songs under his belt...no doubt bout that
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Old 05-15-2006, 11:53 AM   #125
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So if you are saying that what made pac the greatest was because he truly lived what he rhymed about then would that mean that a few years down the line 50 would be remembered the same way?

Note:I not trying to be clever.
No 50 won't be remembered as a legend cuz he only tried to get rich (and did) by following Pac's formula. Pac was an original and that's why he goes down in hip hop history. He wrote the thug blueprint just like Rakim wrote the blueprint on how to be lyrical - and it has carried forth. The fans have been caught up in the image thing ever since Tupac.
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Old 05-15-2006, 11:58 AM   #126
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Before Tupac shook shit up in hip hop, everybody just believed what emcees said - they didn't question it.
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Old 05-15-2006, 02:19 PM   #127
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MCs that are better(imo):

Rakim
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Old 05-15-2006, 08:52 PM   #128
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DRE?? i would say that to be better than pac a rapper has to at least write his own rhymes...
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Old 05-16-2006, 09:18 AM   #129
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- but who's more versatile than Pac??
Ghostface Killah

Ghost is the most versatile MC of all time IMO

and as far as this thread goes: MC's that are more complete MC's than Pac (stricly based on skill)

Ghostface
Biggie
Nas
Jay-Z
Method Man
Redman
Andre3000
Pharoahe Monch
Eminem (ducks)

Im not counting discography, nor subject matter because thats all subjective.
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Old 05-16-2006, 10:05 AM   #130
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I don't think this debate will ever reach it's conclusion, everyone is putting up a decent argument and no one seems to be backing down.
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Old 05-16-2006, 10:42 AM   #131
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Also, im begining to wonder if pussy ever tried to get GZA's autograph and got turned down or some shit, cuz he really seems pretty hostile towards him.
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Old 05-16-2006, 10:57 AM   #132
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Old 05-16-2006, 11:15 AM   #134
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Ghostface Killah

Ghost is the most versatile MC of all time IMO

and as far as this thread goes: MC's that are more complete MC's than Pac (stricly based on skill)

Ghostface
Biggie
Nas
Jay-Z
Method Man
Redman
Andre3000
Pharoahe Monch
Eminem (ducks)

Im not counting discography, nor subject matter because thats all subjective.
it's all subjective.......................... and i was talking about subject matter............... but i agree with your opinion that many rappers have better qualities than tupac
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Old 05-16-2006, 11:46 AM   #135
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Here's a nice quote from Cormega on his forum from a thread titled Mega vs. Pac...

"imma have to go with Pac on this one he was just too complete
to be compared to anybody!"

Anyway, i'm not saying that what Mega says goes but he definitely has respect for hip hop, unlike some.

This thread is retarded though - and the reason is cuz of Pussypie's approach i now see. My bad for getting involved in this homoerotic dialogue.
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