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Old 05-30-2006, 12:07 AM   #31
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theres alot to blame.. to many to name. im not particularly happy with the shit thats gettin rotated these days.. but its whats doin now. gotta respect that. people gotta eat...
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Old 05-30-2006, 12:37 AM   #32
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when rappers or mcs started to die because of ther music. the industry got scared when two of hip-hop biggest stars died cuz of rap beef. remember y they played jay-z takeover so much but they didnt really play the retaliation song "either" as much? "we dont want this rap beef to spill over into violence."

the industry people itself, it's easier to market ass and sex then it is to market a message to the community or to hard to understand lyrics.

society itself has fucked up hip-hop. when a broke african american is telling me that bush is doing good for the economy and belives that TI is one of the best artist in the game in terms of lyrics, then something must be wrong

fans also have slowly hurt the game


-majority of people can only understand what they see and hear
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Old 05-30-2006, 12:37 AM   #33
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Old 05-30-2006, 12:40 AM   #34
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marketing= hiphop being raped and pillaged
thats really the just of it. but change hip-hop into art, cuz all kinds of artistical shit is dying
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Old 05-30-2006, 07:17 AM   #35
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marketers are the ones who decide what will be popular

a million people are not going to wake up and just KNOW GZA they need to be exposed to him and marketing is what gets artists exposed, plain and simple, the people in suits who want to take your money ruined hiphop, rza and wu tang understood this, thats why they came up with the WU DEAL where they all got their own solo albums on different labels even though they were signed as a GROUP under one label

the only way things will change right now, especially bc of the monopoly of advertising, is if all the underground artists who are dope came together under one roof or major corp with something rawkusish and the audience all supported the artists, that way a movement would start and the marketers would not be able to ignore the fact that they would be missing out on $$$$$$, on top of it all the artists would make more $$ running their own organized shit, but nowadays most artists would never get that organized or want to get that organized and its a mixture of ego and ignorance on their part, and labels can offer big deals up front which turns artists away from creating something that would benefit them in the long run, instead they just aim to get signed

marketing= hiphop being raped and pillaged
sorry but there is no way that marketers are creating the trends in culture.

Their very nature is to capitalize on what is proven effective. That's why they conduct a million surveys, have focus groups, advanced screenings, etc. If they could just magically decide what's "in" or "out" they wouldn't need any of that. The truth is that after all of their calculations and statistics, they don't know what the fuck is happening or what will happen.

Hip-Hop from the beginning has been partly about getting paid. In the mid to late 90's it finally grew to a point where it was a global industry, and people could actually get rich off of it. You can't blame the record companies, contracts are signed after all.
The blame really lands on the rappers who are rapping to make money, instead of for the love of it. It sounds corny I know, but rappers have started to use Hip-Hop as a means to an end, namely getting money, and are putting no thought whatsoever into their craft.
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Old 05-30-2006, 08:20 AM   #36
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I agree, mr P Diddy is partly to blame of the shit he started nearly ten years ago.
I cosign this. Puff did make some great contributions to hip hop with (ie, Ready to Die) but with out a doubt Puff is the one who changed the sound of the game. If you ask me he's the one who made it commercial.
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Old 05-30-2006, 07:01 PM   #37
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of the people we see, suge and puffy had things kickin off... but i think the ones who are really to blam, we don't know the names off... they're behind a desk in some office-building, planning how to make the rap-community welcome mike shinoda or kevin federline....
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Old 05-30-2006, 07:19 PM   #38
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I wouldn't really blame anybody... I guess if you put a gun to my head I would say MTV, BET, radio, and record companys for supporting shitty rappers and brainwashing the masses with artists like D4L. The fans are also to blame, im talking about youngsters who love to dick ride trends.
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Old 05-30-2006, 09:44 PM   #39
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Old 05-30-2006, 09:51 PM   #40
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p diddy
stupid eastcoast managers dancing in the music video wearing shiney pants
how many times you see suge do that shit

p diddy ruined it, fuck what ya heard
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Old 05-30-2006, 10:05 PM   #41
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Old 05-30-2006, 11:17 PM   #42
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if you want to know whos to blame?, Blame the idiotic consumers who by the wack shit, because i can tell you for a fact that most people that listen to "mainstream" shit are close minded ignorant morons who have no grasp on anything what so ever
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Old 05-30-2006, 11:50 PM   #43
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PUFF DADDY....hands fuckin down.......he popularised the Rnb hooks.....the dancers in rap videos......made selling out acceptable......fuck PUFFY

beacuse of PUFF DADDY...the hook became more important than the lyrics.......thats why today, 98% of the singles released have to have an RnB pop hook......thanks PUFF you homo
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Old 05-31-2006, 03:18 AM   #44
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I blame the people behind all the hip-hop related deaths. B.I.G, Tupac, Big L, Jam Master Jay, and all the others that I haven't listed. R.I.P. and it's damn shame. I remember after the mid-90's when all that shit went on and we approached the new millenium hip-hop started going downhill.

Now i'm not one of those emo niggas that cry about how hip-hop is completely dead. Yeah it ain't quite what it used to be but there's still plenty of albums coming out constantly that I still enjoy and artists I like listening to. It's just that if you want some dope hip-hop music you gotta look around a bit harder than 10-12 years ago.
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