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Old 06-06-2006, 12:09 AM   #1
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Angry The Hat.....that fuckin' hat.......

I know you can all hear it. That undeniable sound in most songs these days that's replaced our beloved drumz. THE HAT!!!

Like so many other things, the shattering glass, the girl moaning, the gunshot, the police siren, this sound is being played out very, very fast.

The main problem is, other than it being annoying, it waters the music down. Now given, the artists who use these beats are mostly boo boo anyway, but for some of use who like crate-diggin', we want to look past the lack of wordplay for at least a tight beat!!!

I almost stopped using hats in my production because I started to hate the sound period. Should I use hats sparingly in my beats until the craze has died down? Or just throw my own creativity in there and say fuck the masses?
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Old 06-06-2006, 12:26 AM   #2
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what the fuck are you talkin about a hi-hat???
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Old 06-06-2006, 12:37 AM   #3
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wats a hat?
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Old 06-06-2006, 12:52 AM   #4
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It's like when you hit the tip of the cymbal on a drum set. Think about "Papa Was A Rollin' Stone" by The Temptations. The beginning of the song. It's a lot like that, only less echo.
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Old 06-06-2006, 02:35 AM   #5
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right... i didnt know this "hat epidemic" had occured.
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wow, hats are almost necessary when making a beat. Its just people like Lil John who use incredibly rapid hats like 1/32, that over do it I guess. I don't mind it that much. Hats at 1/8 just add a head nodding effect, which Premier and most older producers use. You can't fucking take hats out of all beats, that would sound gay.
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the hi-hat is a completely different cymbal altogether. well it's two cymbals together (kinda like two bowls held to make a sphere) and you can open or close them with a pedal. its not just the tip of a cymbal.

I agree that the 1/32 incredibly fast hi-hat is seeing a lot more use, but when it's used right it adds some good energy to a track. It really depends on the beat.
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more beats nowadays dont even use hi-hats...see The Big Bang album
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Old 06-06-2006, 05:03 PM   #9
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Who the fuck said anything about taking hats out of a beat all together???? I said that it was being done entirely too much. Turn on your local rap station and see how often you DON'T hear a solid drum pattern. My question.....again....was should the hat be used as more of a special feature, or as the "new drum".

Personally, if it's used right, and not so often, I don't mind the hat. I've just heard too much of it lately, and it's starting to sound a bit Richard Simmons.
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how the hell can it be a new drum wdf special feature? ok whatever just...ok
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Who the fuck said anything about taking hats out of a beat all together???? I said that it was being done entirely too much. Turn on your local rap station and see how often you DON'T hear a solid drum pattern. My question.....again....was should the hat be used as more of a special feature, or as the "new drum".

Personally, if it's used right, and not so often, I don't mind the hat. I've just heard too much of it lately, and it's starting to sound a bit Richard Simmons.
The thing you gotta understand is the hat is a part of a drum kit. That makes no sense saying that hat is the "new drum" or it's replacing "our beloved drum". 99 percent of drumloops consist of kicks (the hard bass pounds), snares, and closed hats. Everysong on 36 Chambers has hats, Everysong on Liquid Swords has hats, 99% of RZA beats from 93-97 have hats. They aren't supposed to stick out like they do on Lil John songs, but they're definatly there, just to add a head nodding effect, and blend into the beat. Sometimes people substitute jingle bells (see Halftime or Microphone Feind) or shakers (see alot of club songs, most recently "Touch It"), or a constant open cymbol hit for hats. Very rarely do you hear a song without hats. I'd say most percent of the music you listen to has hats at 1/8, there's some with 1/4 (listen to Dreams by Game) and mostly southern stuff uses hats at 1/16 and 1/32 and alot of stuff doesn't use a constant hat, it uses varied speeds hats (Gravel pit is an obvious one). Alot drum beats also use open hats at certain parts.

I think what your tired of is the really rapid hats at varied speeds, but what do you mean its replacing the drum? Those songs still have kicks and snares. I don't mean to sound condescending, that whole paragraph above wasn't just for you, it was to help out some people who don't really know what hats are have much of an understanding of what they're listening to.

I'd answer you're question, but it makes no sense. How do you use a hat as a special feature? Its almost necessary in every beat. I'll try and rephrase you're question, Should hats be exclusively used as a background part of the beat (see most rza and primo beats) or should hats be used to create a dominant sound (see alot of southern stuff)?

Once again, i'm not trying to sound like a know it all, I'm just trying to make sense of your post, and provide people with a better understanding of what we're talking about here. peace
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what's an example of a track that uses it too much?
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I guess songs like Lean wit it, Rock wit it or Laffy Taffy, songs with minimal beats, and alot of hat action. Lil wayne - Fireman as well. He should prolly answer this question, because he's the one who was complaining.
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i think hes talking about when the hat becomes a deminant part of the beat, in tracks such as Bedlam listed, lean wit it rock wit it, where there is minimal complex beat.
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