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Old 09-20-2008, 10:55 AM   #1
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Default Large Hadron Collider ("The Big Bang") Official Discussion

Deep underground on the border between France and Switzerland, the world's largest particle accelerator complex will explore the world on smaller scales than any human invention has explored before.



The Large Hadron Collider will look at how the universe formed by analyzing particle collisions. Some have expressed fears that the project could lead to the Earth's demise -- something scientists say will not happen. Still, skeptics have filed suit to try to stop the project.

It even has a rap dedicated to it on YouTube.

Scientists say the collider is finally ready for an attempt to circulate a beam of protons the whole way around the 17-mile tunnel. The test, which takes place Wednesday, is a major step toward seeing if the the immense experiment will provide new information about the way the universe works.

"It's really a generation that we've been looking forward to this moment, and the moments that will come after it in particular," said Bob Cousins, deputy to the scientific leader of the Compact Muon Solenoid experiment, one of six experiments inside the collider complex. "September 10 is a demarcation between finishing the construction and starting to turn it on, but the excitement will only continue to grow."

The collider consists of a particle accelerator buried more than 300 feet near Geneva, Switzerland. About $10 billion have gone into the accelerator's construction, the particle detectors and the computers, said Katie Yurkewicz, spokewoman for CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, which is host to the collider.

In the coming months, the collider is expected to begin smashing particles into each other by sending two beams of protons around the tunnel in opposite directions. It will operate at higher energies and intensities in the next year, and the experiments could generate enough data to make a discovery by 2009, experts say.


Testing the unknown

Experts say the collider has the potential to confirm theories about questions that physicists have been working on for decades including the possible existence of extra dimensions. They also hope to find a theoretical particle called the Higgs boson, which has never been detected, but would help explain why matter has mass.

The collider will recreate the conditions of less than a millionth of a second after the Big Bang, when there was a hot "soup" of tiny particles called quarks and gluons, to look at how the universe evolved, said John Harris, U.S. coordinator for ALICE, a detector specialized to analyze that question.

Since this is exploratory science, the collider may uncover surprises that contradict prevailing theories, but which are just as interesting, said Joseph Lykken, theoretical physicist at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory.

"When Columbus sails west, he thought he was going to find something. He didn't find what he thought he was going to find, but he did find something interesting," said Lykken, who works on the Compact Muon Solenoid, one of six experiments inside the collider complex.

Why should the layperson care about this particular exploration? Years ago, when electrons were first identified, no one knew what they were good for, but they have since transformed our entire economy, said Howard Gordon, deputy research program manager for the collider's ATLAS experiment.

"The transformative effect of this research will be to understand the world we live in much better," said Gordon, at Brookhaven National Laboratory. "It's important for just who we are, what we are."


Black hole fears are "baloney"

Fears have emerged that the collider could produce black holes that could suck up anything around them -- including the whole Earth. Such fears prompted legal actions in the U.S. and Europe to halt the operation of the Large Hadron Collider, alleging safety concerns regarding black holes and other phenomena that could theoretically emerge.

Although physicists acknowledge that the collider could, in theory, create small black holes, they say they do not pose any risk. A study released Friday by CERN scientists explains that any black hole created would be tiny, and would not have enough energy to stick around very long before dissolving. Five collider collaborators who did not pen the report independently told CNN there would be no danger from potential black holes.

John Huth, who works on the collider's ATLAS experiment, called such fears "baloney" in a recent interview, and noted that in normal physics, even if the black hole were stable, it could just pass through the Earth without being detected or without interacting at all.

"The gravitational force is so weak that you'd have to wait many, many, many, many, many lifetimes of the universe before one of these things could [get] big enough to even get close to being a problem," said Huth, professor of physics at Harvard University.


At the scene

When visiting the general-purpose detectors CMS and ATLAS at the Large Hadron Collider, Lykken said he was awed that 30,000 tons of electronics would have to work without anyone fiddling with them all the time.

"It just blows you away to look at these things and realize they're not only incredibly complex and huge, but they have to actually work," he said. "They have to work without people banging on them all day because they're sitting underground all by themselves."

With twice as much iron as the Eiffel Tower, CMS will run at full power for the first time in conjunction with the first beam test Wednesday, Lykken said. The magnet serves to bend particles, whizzing by at almost the speed of light, to figure out what kind of particles they are.

Although the detector's parts weigh thousands of tons, in previous trials of CMS at lower power, the magnet actually yanked certain parts around because of its power, Lykken said.

"You're talking about such incredible power inside both the accelerator and detectors that you never really know until you turn it all on what's going to happen," he said.

Scientists around the world are pumped for the first beam. Fermilab, the high energy physics lab in Batavia, Illinois, and major collaborator on the Large Hadron Collider, will be host of a "pajama party" at 1:30 a.m. CT that includes a live connection to CERN to follow the action.

Cousins believes that because the collider pushes the frontiers of science and technology, it would be "amazingly impressive if it works the first try," he said in a phone interview from CERN. Any little disturbance of the magnetic field anywhere in the tunnel could stop the beam from making it all the way around.

Still, after a 25-year wait, he's not complaining. "I personally will be fine if there's some problem that has to be overcome in the next few days," he said.

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Old 09-20-2008, 11:13 AM   #2
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It broke.

"The Large Hadron Collider near Geneva will be out of action for at least two months because of a technical fault." BBC News

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NAAMAN
2nd Kings 5:1-14
Let's see what we can learn from the case of Naaman.
I. CONSIDER THAT A GREAT MAN WAS HUMBLED
A. 2nd Kings 5:1
He was "a great man", "also a mighty man of valor, but a leper".
B. Numbers 5:1-2
As a Syrian, he was not subject to the law of Moses, so he probably was not quarantined, but his leprosy was certainly a social disgrace, not to mention a life threatening illness.
C. Ecclesiastes 9:11
Chance befell him.
II. NOTICE HOW A CAPTIVE REGARDED HER MASTER
A. 2nd Kings 5:2-3
Imagine being stolen away from your homeland – at a young age, mind you – and not feeling resentment toward your captor. Imagine actually seeking out his best interest.
B. Romans 12:17-21
Vengeance is the prerogative of God alone.
C. 1st Timothy 6:1
Naaman had no reason to blaspheme God after meeting this Israelite.
D. Colossians 3:22-4:1
This girl wasn't insincere. If she was, she could have done her master's will without ever volunteering the information necessary for his cure.
III. OBSERVE WHAT FAITH AND WISDOM A YOUNG GIRL HAD
A. 2nd Kings 5:2-3
The word translated "girl" means a female from infancy to adolescence, and "young" is a diminutive, so this was no teenager, just a child, yet she was not afraid to defy the gods of Syria or inform such heathens of God's power.
B. Matthew 21:14-16
Children are simple. Their thought processes are neither complicated nor corrupted. They know the truth when they see it and don't hesitate to say so.
C. Ecclesiastes 4:13
One advantage of youth is that they're not past learning.
D. Jeremiah 1:6-7
Youth must never be used as an excuse to stop one from speaking the truth.
IV. UNDERSTAND THAT ONE CANNOT BE CLEANSED BY GOING TO THE WRONG SOURCE
A. 2nd Kings 5:5-7
The little girl advised that her master should go to the prophet, but somewhere along the chain of communication he was sent to the king instead, who knew – rightly – that he could do nothing himself to heal Naaman.
B. Acts 4:12
Many go to the wrong source for cleansing from sin – the Pope, Joseph Smith, Buddha, Mohammed, etc. – but only Christ can save.
C. 1st Timothy 2:5
Christ is our only Mediator with the one and only God.
V. REALIZE THAT LEADERS CAN BE MISTAKEN
A. 2nd Kings 5:7
The king of Syria was mistaken in sending Naaman to the king of Israel, and the king of Israel was mistaken in not knowing what to do next, and assuming a quarrel was sought. He had every reason to know Elisha could heal the man, but he despaired faithlessly.
B. Acts 4:19-20; 5:29
The Jewish leaders erred in reproving the apostles.
C. 1st Timothy 5:19-20
Elders in the church might sin.
D. Galatians 2:11
The apostle Peter was withstood for his error.
VI. RECOGNIZE THAT ACTIONS PROVE IDENTITY
A. 2nd Kings 5:8
By going to Elisha and being healed, Naaman and would know there was a prophet in Israel. Do others know there is a Christian in Las Vegas based upon your actions?
B. Matthew 7:15-20
"By their fruits you shall know them".
C. James 2:18
Faith is evident only in action.
VII. CONSIDER THE ERROR OF PRESUMPTION
A. 2nd Kings 5-11
Naaman thought he knew better than the healer how to be healed. He was wrong.
B. Proverbs 12:15; 16:25
He was right in his own eyes, but that made him a fool.
C. Isaiah 55:8-9
God's ways and thoughts are superior to our own.
NAAMAN
2nd Kings 5:1-14
Let's see what we can learn from the case of Naaman.
I. CONSIDER THAT A GREAT MAN WAS HUMBLED
A. 2nd Kings 5:1
He was "a great man", "also a mighty man of valor, but a leper".
B. Numbers 5:1-2
As a Syrian, he was not subject to the law of Moses, so he probably was not quarantined, but his leprosy was certainly a social disgrace, not to mention a life threatening illness.
C. Ecclesiastes 9:11
Chance befell him.
II. NOTICE HOW A CAPTIVE REGARDED HER MASTER
A. 2nd Kings 5:2-3
Imagine being stolen away from your homeland – at a young age, mind you – and not feeling resentment toward your captor. Imagine actually seeking out his best interest.
B. Romans 12:17-21
Vengeance is the prerogative of God alone.
C. 1st Timothy 6:1
Naaman had no reason to blaspheme God after meeting this Israelite.
D. Colossians 3:22-4:1
This girl wasn't insincere. If she was, she could have done her master's will without ever volunteering the information necessary for his cure.
III. OBSERVE WHAT FAITH AND WISDOM A YOUNG GIRL HAD
A. 2nd Kings 5:2-3
The word translated "girl" means a female from infancy to adolescence, and "young" is a diminutive, so this was no teenager, just a child, yet she was not afraid to defy the gods of Syria or inform such heathens of God's power.
B. Matthew 21:14-16
Children are simple. Their thought processes are neither complicated nor corrupted. They know the truth when they see it and don't hesitate to say so.
C. Ecclesiastes 4:13
One advantage of youth is that they're not past learning.
D. Jeremiah 1:6-7
Youth must never be used as an excuse to stop one from speaking the truth.
IV. UNDERSTAND THAT ONE CANNOT BE CLEANSED BY GOING TO THE WRONG SOURCE
A. 2nd Kings 5:5-7
The little girl advised that her master should go to the prophet, but somewhere along the chain of communication he was sent to the king instead, who knew – rightly – that he could do nothing himself to heal Naaman.
B. Acts 4:12
Many go to the wrong source for cleansing from sin – the Pope, Joseph Smith, Buddha, Mohammed, etc. – but only Christ can save.
C. 1st Timothy 2:5
Christ is our only Mediator with the one and only God.
V. REALIZE THAT LEADERS CAN BE MISTAKEN
A. 2nd Kings 5:7
The king of Syria was mistaken in sending Naaman to the king of Israel, and the king of Israel was mistaken in not knowing what to do next, and assuming a quarrel was sought. He had every reason to know Elisha could heal the man, but he despaired faithlessly.
B. Acts 4:19-20; 5:29
The Jewish leaders erred in reproving the apostles.
C. 1st Timothy 5:19-20
Elders in the church might sin.
D. Galatians 2:11
The apostle Peter was withstood for his error.
VI. RECOGNIZE THAT ACTIONS PROVE IDENTITY
A. 2nd Kings 5:8
By going to Elisha and being healed, Naaman and would know there was a prophet in Israel. Do others know there is a Christian in Las Vegas based upon your actions?
B. Matthew 7:15-20
"By their fruits you shall know them".
C. James 2:18
Faith is evident only in action.
VII. CONSIDER THE ERROR OF PRESUMPTION
A. 2nd Kings 5-11
Naaman thought he knew better than the healer how to be healed. He was wrong.
B. Proverbs 12:15; 16:25
He was right in his own eyes, but that made him a fool.
C. Isaiah 55:8-9
God's ways and thoughts are superior to our own.
VIII. NOTICE THAT SUBSTITIONS ARE UNACCEPTABLE
A. 2nd Kings 5:12
Elisha told him to dip in the Jordan, but Naaman preferred the rivers of Damascus.
B. John 1:45-46
Similarly, Philip proclaimed the Christ from Nazareth, but Nathanael thought he knew better.
C. Deuteronomy 12:32
Neither adding nor subtracting from God's word is acceptable, but Naaman tried both: taking away the Jordan and adding the Pharpar.
D. Galatians 1:6-9
We should likewise be satisfied with the gospel without alteration.
IX. OBSERVE THE IMPOTENCE OF RAGE
A. 2nd Kings 5:12
Naaman's anger did not change the command one iota. When he stormed away, he was still infected!
B. Proverbs 14:29
Naaman proved his folly by his impulsiveness.
C. Proverbs 16:32
He had likely conquered many cities, but he was not slow to anger.
D. James 1:19-20
His quick anger did not achieve righteousness.
E. Proverbs 15:1
His servants deterred his wrath by a soft answer.
X. RECOGNIZE THE FOLLY OF TURNING AWAY
A. 2nd Kings 5:12
"He turned and went away in a rage".
B. John 6:60-68
Turning away from what is right leaves no acceptable alternative.
XI. UNDERSTAND THE REASONABLENESS OF GOD'S COMMANDS
A. 2nd Kings 5:13
Had Elisha told Naaman the cost of his cure was the heads of a hundred Philistine giants, would he have balked? Probably not. It's the simple commands we find so difficult, isn't it?
B. Isaiah 1:18
The salvation offered by God is so reasonable.
XII. SEE THE RESULTS OF OBEDIENCE
A. 2nd Kings 5:14
When he finally did as he was told, Naaman was healed.
B. 1st John 2:3-4; 5:2
Keeping commandments is what it's all about.
CONCLUSION
A. Psalm 119:89
God's commands stand long after man's opinions give way.
B. Invitation


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It broke.

"The Large Hadron Collider near Geneva will be out of action for at least two months because of a technical fault." BBC News

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7626944.stm
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Shyt.......

I hoped it will finally start, but it seemz we need to wait more...


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i think this thing is pretty cool, hopefully good things will come out of it.
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^^ I just dunno what to expect to come out..
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They say that aslong as they manage to get any results, it will be beneficial, even if they dont get the "expected results"......

this is one of the things theyre aiming at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson
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This is one of those things that make you look at white people and say "why...what the fuck is the point"?
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because that's how you figure out the origin of the universe and use the information as a tool
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This is one of those things that make you look at white people and say "why...what the fuck is the point"?

how the uck yall manage turn things like this into racism?

Jus cos U belong to the 99.999999% of the people who dont exactly know how it works, it has no meaning & and the whole thing is dumb. ? right?


I bet thats what u said before the Turntables were created...

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^^ That's true, but I still don't know what do they expect to find?!?! I mean, I fully support this project, I'm kind anxious bout it, but still, I just dunno what do they expect they will find, and that will help them to understand the founding of universe & whateva..!??!?

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^well theyre Atleast expecting to observe some of the particles which according to the major theories exist, but dont occur in Nature atm.

like the Higgs Boson

..Higgs Field is basically a force field which "gave" mass its weight in the universe just after the Big Bang.

If they manage to prove that it exists, then maybe theres a way for them to bring those mechanisms into real life,, u know what i mean... in forms of tools & devices.

thats what i think...
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Fuckin pointless if you ask me...white men have tried to harness the power of God since recorded time has begun, and for what....u fuckers will someday kill us all in your never ending quest to be God...Lucifer is real....he is the white man.....damn, yall niggas got me talkin like Sunny Winters up in this joint, I need to log the fuck off for awhile......
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Fuckin pointless if you ask me...white men have tried to harness the power of God since recorded time has begun, and for what....u fuckers will someday kill us all in your never ending quest to be God...Lucifer is real....he is the white man.....damn, yall niggas got me talkin like Sunny Winters up in this joint, I need to log the fuck off for awhile......
"Pointless"

motherfucker, aint u using the internet? U understand what that is based on? U watch the satellites? U use a cellphone? U wanna play a lil playstation?


Have some ucking sense, each time u press a keyboard button, u join the devil. Imagine that.

And for the record, theres ppl all over the world workin with this Collider.

U backwards fool !
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Fuckin pointless if you ask me...white men have tried to harness the power of God since recorded time has begun, and for what....u fuckers will someday kill us all in your never ending quest to be God...Lucifer is real....he is the white man.....damn, yall niggas got me talkin like Sunny Winters up in this joint, I need to log the fuck off for awhile......
what the fuck does the big bang theory have to do with white people?
your an ignorant son of a bitch homie.

and your kids look goofy as hell
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