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Old 08-10-2006, 05:26 PM   #1
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Default do you think lyrics will come back in hip hop?

Seems like the last 3-4 years and especially this past year and a half lyrics have really taken a back seat in hip hop......As I watch the Rap City on TV it seems like 98% of the guys on TV are terrible rappers, who seem less concerned with what they are saying and are more concerned about the catchy hook of the song and latley even a dance step...urgh. While lyrical cats struggle to get signed, rappers like D4L, Lil John, Young Joc, Dem Franchise boys are what the labels are looking for. Rappers who may not be able to rap that well, but are capable with coming up with catchy hooks, and play well in the disco. I Cant remember a time where the mainstream rappers where so bad, and by bad I mean, terrible unskilled mc's. Even if you look back to around 2000 cats like Eminem, Jay-Z, Dmx, etc made somewhat commerical songs that dominated the charts, they were actually all somewhat skilled rappers, even if you did not like their popier singles. Today that is not the case, it seems like rap has hit and all time low for skilled Mc's that are on the charts. I am sure that there is not any less skilled rappers today, but it just seems that anyone who spits lyrcis is just not getting signed by majors, they labels seem like they do not want "lyric" MC's anymore......I guess it is easier to sell and market hooks, disco beats, and now dance moves by disposable so called rappers

I believe the days of the mid 1990's will never return where artists would release gritty lyric fueled singles like Nas, Wu tang, Biggie, etc dominated the rap charts

.....but do you guys see a return to lyrics in mainstream rap, because the direction it is taking is towards pop, hook laden, un talented rappers?

Where do you see hip hop going because it seems to be at its all time creative and artistic low
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Old 08-10-2006, 05:36 PM   #2
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^My question would be who's putting them on the charts? Do you notice how the end of the lyrical era you're talking about and the advent of the internet coincide with each other? Labels put out whatever makes money. If people where only buying real lyricall hip-hop then that's what you'd see. The problem is that a lot of times they're not bought but instead downloaded and often for free. Record execs are thinking they might as well appeal to the dumbed-downed masses too stupid to find the shit for free themselves or too rich to care.



In short the internet and the fans who don't go out and buy CD's is the reason for the decline. If you want the scene to change then the fans themselves must also change their ways.
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Old 08-10-2006, 05:48 PM   #3
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^My question would be who's putting them on the charts? Do you notice how the end of the lyrical era you're talking about and the advent of the internet coincide with each other? Labels put out whatever makes money. If people where only buying real lyricall hip-hop then that's what you'd see. The problem is that a lot of times they're not bought but instead downloaded and often for free. Record execs are thinking they might as well appeal to the dumbed-downed masses too stupid to find the shit for free themselves or too rich to care.



In short the internet and the fans who don't go out and buy CD's is the reason for the decline. If you want the scene to change then the fans themselves must also change their ways.
I agree, I think the internet plays a role. For example, true hip hop fans would probably be in their late teens or university students types, who have no money for cd's and tend to download there music. Dont believe me, just go on Soulseek or any other file sharring program and see how much so called "real" hip hop is in peoples folders. So who buys the majority of music today? young girls, younger kids, who maybe dont have computers, and people without internet access.....the Wal Mart crowd is now shapping the direction of hip hop, hence DEM FRANCHISE BOYS and YOUNG JOC selling out in stores.

I also feel though that with the huge mainstream success of artists like NEllY and Ja Rule, labels realized that is was easier to sell rappers who were heavy on pop hooks and not lyrics, you no longer had to be a great rapper like BIGGIE, JAY-Z, NAS, etc to sell rap records, you just need the pop hooks, lyrics did not really matter. The labels ran with this idea, because it is easier for them to sign rappers who may not be that skilled, but will allow themselves to be molded in the way the record label wants, to move product. So whereas a lyrical rapper from NEw York, "Papoose" for example, may not want to compromise his style and lyrics, where a group like DEM FRANCHISE BOYS will not have a problem doing what the label says......Hence all the garbage MC's getting signed and on TV today, and people are buying it up, so I dont see the current direction changing, probably getting worse.
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Old 08-10-2006, 05:58 PM   #4
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no because hiphop is too big now, it wont go back, unless the people really want it and act on it
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Old 08-10-2006, 07:10 PM   #5
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Wu Tang Clan, probably the quintessential "lyrical" rappers are living in 2006 which is basically a Hook/pop dominated rap industry
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Old 08-10-2006, 08:05 PM   #6
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It was only a few years back that Mobb Deep were selling like 2 million with Murda Muzik and being one of the most popular rap groups yet they were always up until then straight hip hop raw beats and real lyricsts.

Its only recently like last 2-3 years that the most popular rappers are actually shit rappers like BEP or alot of down south shit.
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Old 08-10-2006, 08:12 PM   #7
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My friends think it's the white mans fault and they are using us a slaves to do the dirty work. White Man = Label Owners
Slaves = commercial Mc's destroying hip hop thats blacks started to enjoy ourselves. Although i think its bullshit.
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Shit man I wish it would go back, but theres to many bullshitters now days, fans and poppy rappers.
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Old 08-10-2006, 09:51 PM   #9
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no lyrics dont make money
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Old 08-10-2006, 11:13 PM   #10
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As a hip-hop fan I honestly feel that everything's been said in rap/hip-hop and there's really nothing out lately I felt is new. There may be a new sound here and there, new gimmicks, but as far as lyrics go there will never anything new. Because everyone's saying the same shit and like I said, I feel everything there is to say has been said. It was the stories that kept hip-hop alive and seeing as no body tells a story anymore, the game's taken a fall but there's few that are keeping the story-telling alive.
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^My question would be who's putting them on the charts? Do you notice how the end of the lyrical era you're talking about and the advent of the internet coincide with each other? Labels put out whatever makes money. If people where only buying real lyricall hip-hop then that's what you'd see. The problem is that a lot of times they're not bought but instead downloaded and often for free. Record execs are thinking they might as well appeal to the dumbed-downed masses too stupid to find the shit for free themselves or too rich to care.



In short the internet and the fans who don't go out and buy CD's is the reason for the decline. If you want the scene to change then the fans themselves must also change their ways.
yep,

the record companie responsiblity is to make as much revenue as possible. if the consumer buys something different, they'll sell something different.
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Old 08-10-2006, 11:32 PM   #12
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there are plenty artists that compose ILL lyrics... u jus have to find them
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Old 08-11-2006, 12:19 AM   #13
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^so you'll know who to download off a lime wire right? haha. I'm not pointing fingers. I'm guilty of that shit myself, I just shy away from downloading whole albums. If I like 'em that much I'll just buy it.
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Old 08-11-2006, 12:51 AM   #14
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well from my perspective, hip-hop grew from the urban communities, from your "hard" or "tough" neighborhood. Now just in my opinion i notice many suburban kids having dreams of being such a "hard" or "tough" person, even though this may never happen. to make themselves feel cool or feel tough in their own way, these kids buy up hip-hop albums to convince themselves that they are cool and to emulate these rappers. now, as i said before, these kids are interested in being tougher. now what's tougher than sum gangsta rapper and talking about guns and drugs. i feel that rap today is being consumed by those people who are longing to be tougher so they buy up the gangsta image...all other subgenres such as hyphy or crunk are just devolved versions of hip-hop in my eyes. this for me is at least one part of the problem, people don't listen to intelligent hip-hop anymore, and yes the internet damages all of this furthur by making both underground and mainstream hip-hop music available for free.
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they never left maybe u idiots should start buying albums and labels will sign lyrical rappers instead
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