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Old 08-11-2006, 03:29 AM   #16
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there are plenty artists that compose ILL lyrics... u jus have to find them

TRUTH, they haven't gone extinct there just harder to find due to the commerical smokescreen being put up.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:41 AM   #17
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TRUTH, they haven't gone extinct there just harder to find due to the commerical smokescreen being put up.

I think he means in a commercial marketplace not the underground.
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hip hop is getting absorbed into the mainstream
you see timbaland with nelly
shakira with wyclef
premo with christina
white pop singers are being converted into hip hop artists, and rappers are becoming pop stars
for real these mainstream motherfuckers need to take the music back
this is HIP HOP!!!!
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Old 08-11-2006, 07:41 AM   #19
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the question of did lyrics take a back seat to a catchy hook is a tough question because it depends on who you ask. Someone like me looks for just a good song as a whole with good lyrics not just a catchy hook. But other people prefer to just listen to a catchy hook. This is all opinion and should stop being argued.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:39 PM   #20
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LMAO concious rap never sold records.....no matter what years you are looking at.

Lyrics never left hip-hop and catchy hooks were always on the charts.
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Old 08-11-2006, 03:48 PM   #21
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^so you'll know who to download off a lime wire right? haha. I'm not pointing fingers. I'm guilty of that shit myself, I just shy away from downloading whole albums. If I like 'em that much I'll just buy it.

Limewire?? hell nah... im not that stupid... my friend's homie, they went to his house and busted him 8,000 bucks up front or else he would go to court and basically pay more..thats a no no
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its about the marketing meaning who is going to buy the album if u have ppl who like real hip-hop lyrics beats everything and they download shit or share songs over the net and bitch about how rap is turnig to BS (sound like some1 u know?)

but on the other hand u have ....

12 yr old kids who dont use a computer to download/dont have one or dont know how... they buy the album/ and or ppl mainly women who want something to dance to and have a catchy hook / and not to mention all the white suburb kids who think they are black they turn on the TV and see Mike Jones singing bout his rims so they think that is how to be black

The only way i can see it change is if buisness who backs the pop mainstream say "we dont want more money we stand for integrity and having art back in the music" when the fans say they want lyrics back then we will get it

Also maybe if hip hop leadership steps up and takes a stand never mind there is no hip hop leadership
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you just aint listening to the right people..
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LMAO concious rap never sold records.....no matter what years you are looking at.

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Illmatic was pretty concious it was a retrospective on life type shit, whole of New York was diggin it. The only records in NY that used to sell were what you call concious, they never got on all that gangster shit as much as West Coast were, New York was always about freestyle punchlines MCing, just kicking a hot hot verse from the park. Its only more reent that there is 99% NY gangster rappers.

The most populer NY rappers in the 90's were all "freestyle" type MC's like Prodigy, Wu Tang, Nas, Jay Z, apart from Prodigy (whose still a freestyle rapper) , none of these guys were selling records because they were talking about guns, they werent talking about it like that.

Go back to The furious Five &Grandmaster flash "The Message" that was the BIGGEST fucking rap record of the Whole of the 1980's and probably the biggest seller, so how can you say concious NEVER sold records?
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Illmatic was pretty concious it was a retrospective on life type shit, whole of New York was diggin it. The only records in NY that used to sell were what you call concious, they never got on all that gangster shit as much as West Coast were, New York was always about freestyle punchlines MCing, just kicking a hot hot verse from the park. Its only more reent that there is 99% NY gangster rappers.

The most populer NY rappers in the 90's were all "freestyle" type MC's like Prodigy, Wu Tang, Nas, Jay Z, apart from Prodigy (whose still a freestyle rapper) , none of these guys were selling records because they were talking about guns, they werent talking about it like that.

Go back to The furious Five &Grandmaster flash "The Message" that was the BIGGEST fucking rap record of the Whole of the 1980's and probably the biggest seller, so how can you say concious NEVER sold records?
Relatively consious rap doesnt sell and never has....yes I know all those classic concious albums that went platinum... Remember that this thread is focusing on the last approximate 4 years...you are bringing up old history. I know what you are getting a though....but at that time hip-hop wasnt as big of an industry.


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I haven't read anything here, but if you think that there's no good lyrics today, you're dumb...
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Old 08-11-2006, 08:15 PM   #27
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I haven't read anything here, but if you think that there's no good lyrics today, you're dumb...
proof?

Why you cut school? 'Cause you ain't feel too good
I cut school 'cause my cuts ain't heal too good
Through all the physical abuse my mind escaped through the gift of wordplay
I memorized encyclopaedias and dictionaries
I wrote anthems from antonyms, harmonies from homonyms
Created cinema from synonyms
Was livid to eliminate that illustrious life you livin' in
Wrote rhetoricals in rhythms
I could paralyze with a parable, make rhymes out of religion
Crucify you with a prefix, or suffocate you with a suffix
Wrote lectures so infectious it's known to infect the listeners
Who dissin' us?
Yo punks you wait... I punctuate
My karma's the comma
That puts you inside of a coma
Hyphen, dot, dot, semi-colon, leave you semi-swollen
Question mark, you pregnant?
Oh you're not? I love you, period.
To sum it up, language is my essence
Fucked up in all my adolescence 'til my Moms was out of lessons
Laws: I store convenient
Still I rob a convenience store
Love Mom, Fuck Mom, shit I ain't love me no more
Mentally it didn't register, bitch
Empty the register, bitch
You just a cashier, bitch
Give the cash here, or I'll shoot you in your cabbage
Hijack a getaway cab, bitch
Words ain't makin' me no loot, don't change now Dow Jones average
Regardless, we Godless
They stole my innocence
In a sense, the judge sentenced me to three lifetimes sentences
To write my life and times and sentences
Art my dark archnemesis
They want me off the premises, that's what the premise is
Locked on a tier where you can't shed a tear at
Studied more Shakespeare than any African shakes a spear at
And the whole world fear that, and it hurts
I got caught killing time, but then I got with words
thats not why I made this Thread.....go back and read what I wrote

I am saying that when I used to turn on the tv in the 1990's rappers had skills, even in the early 2000's dudes could rap (Jay-Z, Eminem, etc) even if you did not like there poppy singles, the guys actually had skills. Today when you turn on the TV dudes are doing straight pop songs, but I dont feel that these guys can rap to save their life (Nich Cannon, Rick Ross, Mike Jones, Chingy, DRL, Dem Franchise boys, young joc, etc etc).....

My point is that lyrics are not even the focus of labels anymore, it used to be, "go out and sign the dude who can spit the best" in the 1990's, then it moved to "go and sign the guy who can spit the best and make him do some crossover joints" in the early 2000's, and today in 2006 it seems like the lables are like "who cares if the guy can rap, we can just mold him into what we want him to be, as long as there are catchy hooks"

It just seems that dudes used to have to prove themselves with lyrics, today cats seem that they dont really give a fuck anymore, its just about moving units
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My point is that lyrics are not even the focus of labels anymore, it used to be, "go out and sign the dude who can spit the best" in the 1990's, then it moved to "go and sign the guy who can spit the best and make him do some crossover joints" in the early 2000's, and today in 2006 it seems like the lables are like "who cares if the guy can rap, we can just mold him into what we want him to be, as long as there are catchy hooks"

It just seems that dudes used to have to prove themselves with lyrics, today cats seem that they dont really give a fuck anymore, its just about moving units
All True^^^^

It probably wont change anytime soon unless maybe guys like Jay who have the power to change things and make statements that carry in the pop industry step up and be the leader. But he dont he just keeps seein dollar signs. I got nothin but respect for Jay on the mic but in a role where he is supposed to be the leader in an industry he just seems like he ther for show
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All True^^^^

It probably wont change anytime soon unless maybe guys like Jay who have the power to change things and make statements that carry in the pop industry step up and be the leader. But he dont he just keeps seein dollar signs. I got nothin but respect for Jay on the mic but in a role where he is supposed to be the leader in an industry he just seems like he ther for show
I have mixed feelings about JAY-Z as an executive, I give him props for going out and signing some real hip hop like THE ROOTS and NAS, plus DEF JAM got METHOD MAN and GHOSTFACE.....but it seems like all the realeses coming out of Def Jam are RnB shit so far....like isn't Def Jam a hip hop label? Probably the greatest hip hop label of all time

I think if Def Jam wants to put out RnB, thats cool, just call it Def Soul or something, just dont make Def Jam a fuckin RnB label
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