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Old 12-29-2006, 10:24 AM   #31
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LHX=as long as it annoys people then capitalize all you want

eD=the bible and quran are socialist documents. The bible says the land should be redistributed equally every 50 years.
Socialism in our sociaty breeds laziness.
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Old 12-29-2006, 12:02 PM   #32
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There is a lot I could say about Che but to be honest it is a difficult topic to get into over the net, I have read a book about his entire life written by neutral observer who actually went and got 80% of his information first hand from the people that mattered and of course through other sources as well. I have seen countless documentarys on Che and the cuban revolution too.

For a Cuban american I can understand LINKS's point of view and no matter what information I know of Che I can't say that it is 100% accurate, while I don't agree with the notion of communism nor do I think it works for me Che is a symbol of impact a latino can have in the western world and is the embodyment of hard work and dedication to a belief system, right or wrong in his beliefs is always open to debate but the point of the matter is he believed in a better world for all latinos and that we would not be seen as lower than the superpowers of today and in that regard he has my complete respect.
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ok lets keep it real 4 a minute. most of yall corny motherfuckers in hiphop never knew who he was till Jayz wore a t shirt with his face on it at mtv unplugged .
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Who the fuck is Jay Z?
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There is a lot I could say about Che but to be honest it is a difficult topic to get into over the net, I have read a book about his entire life written by neutral observer who actually went and got 80% of his information first hand from the people that mattered and of course through other sources as well. I have seen countless documentarys on Che and the cuban revolution too.

For a Cuban american I can understand LINKS's point of view and no matter what information I know of Che I can't say that it is 100% accurate, while I don't agree with the notion of communism nor do I think it works for me Che is a symbol of impact a latino can have in the western world and is the embodyment of hard work and dedication to a belief system, right or wrong in his beliefs is always open to debate but the point of the matter is he believed in a better world for all latinos and that we would not be seen as lower than the superpowers of today and in that regard he has my complete respect.
I feel what you're saying.

My whole thing with him, and everyone else, is that you gotta look at the good and the bad. Che espcially has always seemed to me to fall in the "grey" both good and bad in different ways.
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The bible says the land should be redistributed equally every 50 years.
that's old testament duke. When Christ was born the Jubilee ceremony was no longer necessary.
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Old 12-30-2006, 10:16 AM   #38
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I feel what you're saying.

My whole thing with him, and everyone else, is that you gotta look at the good and the bad. Che espcially has always seemed to me to fall in the "grey" both good and bad in different ways.
That seems to be the case.
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interesting thread, to be honest i never really looked in to che too much. I've always seen him on those t-shirts and felt it was cliche as hell. Links' viewpoint is one i never really heard too much of and i think it probaly holds some validity, but i think to disregard everything he did as wrong isn't right cause im sure he fought for a good cause, maybe just the wrong way.
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good thread links -

To state that everything bad or good that you read about is true is like this: Sometimes you have to take whats inbetween to find the truth. As a US citizen I say the US invovlement in Cuban Communist Policies is wrong, just like the middle east but history repeat itself and we never learn. The notion that every other country should be like us is just wrong on so many levels. Then you have someone like Che who would basically die for what he believes in and to us its seems barbaric but when you grow up a certain way - thats what you believe. Its quite extreme but he had an unyielding respect for Fidel.

Now with that said - how can you as an individual respect Gotti - or wear anything with Scarface or appreciate Godfather or Pablo Escobar or Hitler or any other tyrant that is iconically worshipped today? Well apply this to CHE - Some people wearing the shirts pins etc have no idea what he's done in life let alone who he is, but some just respect the tenacity behind his ideals.
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:56 PM   #42
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^^But the thing about Che was that he grew up middle class, was well on his way to becoming a doctor and lead a wealthy comfortable life, only the experiences of what he witnessed throughout his travels in his early twenties through south america did he realise that massive inequalitys which plagued his home land and through this he began to become more politically aware and thus would sacrifice his privillaged life to a cause he believed in.

You made a good point about these gangters that people seem to idolise but I think when it doesn't directly affect you people don't really care, as a Colombian and since my family are from Medellin I am fully aware of the negative impact Pablo Escobar had and because of this I do not look at him with a glance of admiration like a lot of people who were not affected by him tend to do, so in relation Links would understandibly feel the same about Che because of his involvment in cuba's communist regime.
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excellent point.

Just recently, I read an article in the NY Post regarding herman badillo, the first puerto rican congressman. He wrote a book and loosely quoted he basically said that latin communities don't make education a point in their households and we as a whole don't incite knowledge in our youth. How can I support this fellow "jibaro" when he has severed his ties with his own people and rather than generalize actually cite certain aspects that would make that statement true. Don't bunch me up with a group. I am an educated latin woman who is proud of my roots and I'll be damn if this man tries to say that spanish mothers don't go to school to parent teacher conferences and don't care if you do homework.

Werd up - I don't know who raised this lost jibaro (he was an orphan) - but my mom use to make me smell a fat leather belt at just a thought of not doing all my homework. Unable to speak English well, she would be at all parent-teacher nights... for the whole lot of us.... ahh pues ja tu sabes. I won't be rocking a shirt with a picture of herman badillo, the first puerto rican congressman, anytime is the near future.
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excellent point.

Just recently, I read an article in the NY Post regarding herman badillo, the first puerto rican congressman. He wrote a book and loosely quoted he basically said that latin communities don't make education a point in their households and we as a whole don't incite knowledge in our youth. How can I support this fellow "jibaro" when he has severed his ties with his own people and rather than generalize actually cite certain aspects that would make that statement true. Don't bunch me up with a group. I am an educated latin woman who is proud of my roots and I'll be damn if this man tries to say that spanish mothers don't go to school to parent teacher conferences and don't care if you do homework.

Werd up - I don't know who raised this lost jibaro (he was an orphan) - but my mom use to make me smell a fat leather belt at just a thought of not doing all my homework. Unable to speak English well, she would be at all parent-teacher nights... for the whole lot of us.... ahh pues ja tu sabes. I won't be rocking a shirt with a picture of herman badillo, the first puerto rican congressman, anytime is the near future.
It's hard for me to comment without first finding out more information on him, I could very easily make a snap judgment about his comments but since I haven't read his book his views could have been taken out of context so I can't really talk about the man, but without making excuses for him you did state that he was an orphan so it is possible that he was never culturally connected in the first place. What really bothers me about these "ethnic" politicians is that they come across very white washed and completley disconnected with their heritage and sometimes it can't be helped I mean I don't know the statistics but how many latinos are at university? and in particular the top schools, for the most part the few latinos that go to these schools mix within predominatly white social groups so in turn develop an outsiders view on things when it comes to their own people and in turn judge them more harshly because they only let themselves see the negative side.
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It's hard for me to comment without first finding out more information on him, I could very easily make a snap judgment about his comments but since I haven't read his book his views could have been taken out of context so I can't really talk about the man, but without making excuses for him you did state that he was an orphan so it is possible that he was never culturally connected in the first place. What really bothers me about these "ethnic" politicians is that they come across very white washed and completley disconnected with their heritage and sometimes it can't be helped I mean I don't know the statistics but how many latinos are at university? and in particular the top schools, for the most part the few latinos that go to these schools mix within predominatly white social groups so in turn develop an outsiders view on things when it comes to their own people and in turn judge them more harshly because they only let themselves see the negative side.

He is very open about his genaralizing, he's not afraid of the "stereotyping" charge and he will make that very clear. Look up trhe book. im halfway through with it and i really don't understand half his views, he was not raised like us.

I understand what he is saying but I don't know where he gets them from. guiliani wrote the forward....
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