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Old 12-05-2008, 05:26 PM   #601
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here's another scenerio that supports the argument i originally had.

lets say that oregon state beat oregon, or lets say that UCLA upsets USC tomorrow. they dont get an auto bid, and they're left out.

you're gonna tell me a 4 loss troy and 3 loss BC should get a spot over USC?
well thats why there is at large berths. but this way it give all the conference at least a chance.
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wuts wrong with at large bids?? is that not how teams get into the basketball tourney???

yeah, thats the problem. also too many team are able to get in making the regular season meaningless.and it doesnt eliminate the situation of people voting on who does or doesnt qualitfy.

You can't decide everything on the field cuz they don't all play eachother and tie breakers dont work cuz there are too many teams and conferences.

they do it in MLB every single year.
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Old 12-05-2008, 06:44 PM   #603
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well thats why there is at large berths. but this way it give all the conference at least a chance.
if you look at the example on that page they wouldnt get an at large bid as there are only 5. they would be left out.

or another one of those one loss teams would be left out.
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Old 12-05-2008, 07:01 PM   #604
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well not ever team is going to make it wade. No matter how many teams you have, someone is going to get cut out.

The regular season is not meaningless. You need to win to get in. Its only 16 teams outta alot and winnig your division is a must for the smaller conferences so i dont kno how that renders the reg. season meaningless.

Shit, the regualr season is meaningless for all but 2 teams anyway the way things are now.
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every team shouldnt make it. thats why i dont like NCAA Bball tournamant setup because its too inclusive. there's even been discussion on including more slots.

still, the auto-bid for conference winners doesnt work when a conference produces a 4 loss champion and theres the possibility of 7 one loss teams or even a situation where there are 7 undefeated or 1 loss teams and one of those teams gets left out while a dog team from a dog conference gets to go. thats not a good solution.

thats situation can be avoided by either excluding the lower conferences and taking their good team into the BCS conferences or dividing into seperate leagues.

a system has to be setup where voting is eliminated, and it CAN be done.
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Old 12-05-2008, 09:23 PM   #606
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Your not making sense. First you say decide it on the field, but your against certain conferences getting bids.
Than your saying no more voting, yet taking the good teams from better conferences in.

What your trying to do won't work unless the abolish conferences and start from scratch and there is no way in hell thats going to happen nor should it.

Do you work for the bowls or something???
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Old 12-06-2008, 12:51 AM   #607
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Any predictions on tomorrow's games?

Florida - 35
Alabama - 17

Oklahoma - 45
Missouri - 31

ACC Championship - who cares
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If the Gators have Harvin, i say the win

If not, Im going with Bama.


Yea, i think Oklahoma beats missouri.
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Old 12-06-2008, 10:51 AM   #609
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Your not making sense. First you say decide it on the field, but your against certain conferences getting bids.
Than your saying no more voting, yet taking the good teams from better conferences in.

What your trying to do won't work unless the abolish conferences and start from scratch and there is no way in hell thats going to happen nor should it.

Do you work for the bowls or something???
you've obvious misinterpreted everything i've wrote.

auto-bids dont work when a conference produces and 4 loss champion thus taking the spot from a team that only lost once in a much better conference but they get left out cuz they happen to be the 7th team. it doesnt solve the problem of a bunch of geeks who dont even watch the games deciding who plays and who doesnt.

eliminating the non BCS conferences was one of my solutions. and the decision to move up to the BCS conferences would be made by the school that thinks they're good enough. they could work it out with the NCAA to be included. their would of course need to be some criteria for qualification. i mean hey, if you gonna say that undefeated boise state and utah dont deserve to play for a title because their conference is too weak, then why have them around? let them have their own division like with division 2 and 3.

its like inviting some people to a banquet and telling them they cant have anything to eat. why not give them their own banquet?

again, thats one solution. the other is to keep all the conferences but divide them into leagues, BCS and non BCS. each team plays teams within their league for the regular season. for the post season you pick 8 from each league based on overall record(NOT votes) and you can use strength of schedule in the event of a tie.

to avoid having a shitty NC game every year(ie oklahoma vs. ball state), you mix things up by having 4 BCS and 4 non BCS schools on each side of the bracket.

other than bullshit like money and nostalgic traditionalism, there no reason why this wouldnt work.
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Old 12-06-2008, 12:21 PM   #610
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The way its set up is fine...the way the guy set it up.

Its unlikely a conference champ will have 4 losses. They are usually undefeated but get shafted at a chance.

The 1 loss teams will get plenty of opportunities with the 5 at large bids.

This way, the small conferences at least have a chance but the Big Schools dont get fucked over cuz they get home field usually against a lower opponent.

Thats the best scenario i've seen yet.
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The way its set up is fine...the way the guy set it up.

Its unlikely a conference champ will have 4 losses. They are usually undefeated but get shafted at a chance.

The 1 loss teams will get plenty of opportunities with the 5 at large bids.

This way, the small conferences at least have a chance but the Big Schools dont get fucked over cuz they get home field usually against a lower opponent.

Thats the best scenario i've seen yet.
it puts the shoe on the other foot. when the mac and the wac would get the short end for playing weaker competition, it'll now be the SEC and big 12 that get the short end for playing better competition.

on that example you have one team with 4 losses another with 3 and 2 others with 2. all out of weak conferences.

it depends on what people want. a solution to the problem or just something thats not the BCS?
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Alright, Florida won that game without the most dynamic player in college football. It's up to these piece of shit coaches to vote Florida in now so we can see an OU-UF championship, and not a god damn rematch of OU-Texas.
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the human polls already have them at 2. they should get in. whether they jump to 1 or go to 2 and move OU up.
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the human polls already have them at 2. they should get in. whether they jump to 1 or go to 2 and move OU up.
No, the Harris Poll has them at #2, but the coaches decided to move them down to 4th and put Texas ahead of them last week. If Florida is #2 in both polls, then Texas will surely get in over them with a much superior computer average. I don't know how anyone would not vote Florida #1 after tonight, but these coaches worry me.
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cross your fingers kid..
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