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Old 07-23-2005, 04:27 AM   #1
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Default is "commercial" the same thing as "low quality"?

i was wondering... most of the wu fans over here hate "commercial" tracks or albums. "commercial" seems a synonym to "bad music". is this always true? for example, "the w" contains the most commercialised wu-song (gravel pit), but can hardly be called a commercial album, i think. "iron flag" - which i consider a much better album - is often titled 'commercial' and therefore 'not so good', which is kind of a strange reasoning, i guess, if you don't see the absolute true of the synonym.
Another album, tical 0, which i admit is terrible, has been given the label 'overcommercialised'. I don't know or that's the right label, i mean, sure it's afwul that method man only seems able to produce an album with only one good number on it, but is that the same thing as that he is too commercialised? i dunno.
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Old 07-23-2005, 05:08 AM   #2
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Default Re: is "commercial" the same thing as "low quality"?

I consider the commercial stuff, the stuff they make when they try and sound like whatever the mainstream sounds like in order to try and sell more records.

Not neccessarily bad music results, while I don't agree with them changing their sound to sell more, I do like Gravel Pit, Cherchez LaGhost and half of Iron Flag in a way. Tical 0 and most of The Movement are examples of just bad music when they've been commercial. Some people here however probably do just hate all the commercial stuff they do just because it is commercial.
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Old 07-23-2005, 05:11 AM   #3
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Default Re: is "commercial" the same thing as "low quality"?

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I consider the commercial stuff, the stuff they make when they try and sound like whatever the mainstream sounds like in order to try and sell more records.

Not neccessarily bad music results, while I don't agree with them changing their sound to sell more, I do like Gravel Pit, Cherchez LaGhost and half of Iron Flag in a way. Tical 0 and most of The Movement are examples of just bad music when they've been commercial. Some people here however probably do just hate all the commercial stuff they do just because it is commercial.
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Old 07-23-2005, 05:38 AM   #4
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Default Re: is "commercial" the same thing as "low quality"?

it's not always bad, but it often is because an artist changes their sound to be more popular. Fans want to hear the original style, not the commercial style.

When I listen to The W, I skip Gravel Pit, it's an alright song, but i just don't like it much. I like some of their other commercial songs, like Cherches La Ghost, Ghost Showers & Uzi.
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Old 07-23-2005, 07:27 AM   #5
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Default Re: is "commercial" the same thing as "low quality"?

commercial art = successful art ($$$) (...50 gold, 60 platinum...)
commercial art =/ bad art (Is Wu-Tang Forever the worst Wu album? I guess not!)
watered down music in order to appeal to mass taste = bad music

If you water down music, you lose artistic value, basically the realness and if your music isn't bad, it's definitely worse. But i don't think Wu did that a lot. Sometimes they have some boring flows nowadays (e.g. deck, rza) or less complex lyrics and/or jewels, but overall I guess we can't complain.
So, if they do that I probably won't really like it a lot, but I know that there's still lots of (maybe more than ever before) quality products coming out under Wu. So why should I care?

I think the problem is that Wu FANS are often a bit nervous because for them the Wu is maybe the last bastion of realness in entertaining art (and for some maybe the only thing real in their whole lives). Unfortunately these very same guys did never learn a thing from the Wu. They may be good at reciting, but never understood.

I don't have that problem, because I always know that I am real and that I Self am Lord And Master. That's why I don't look up to the Wu, but see them for what they are - in the context of who I am.

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Old 07-23-2005, 08:06 AM   #6
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I consider the commercial stuff, the stuff they make when they try and sound like whatever the mainstream sounds like in order to try and sell more records.
thats it..

very good question McTom
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Default Re: is "commercial" the same thing as "low quality"?

commercialisation of wutang in it self cannot be seen as neccesarily a bad thing, in essence it means that the legacy of their music will continue for a longer period of time. however with commercialisation of music genarally artist forego their previous sound for a form of music which is considered acceptable to the masses. compare the sound of tical to that of judgement day (which i like as an album). meth changed his sound, but it didnt result in bad music. its only when artists completely alter the way they go about making music in order to gain record sales. good example is mobb deep, one of the grittiest groups eqarly on and now they're callabin with 50 cent and producing weak verses consistently (amerikaz nightmare).

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Old 07-23-2005, 08:42 AM   #8
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Default Re: is "commercial" the same thing as "low quality"?

nothing wrong with commercial success, its more an issue of how you go about getting it.
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Old 07-23-2005, 12:03 PM   #9
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Default Re: is "commercial" the same thing as "low quality"?

No commercial music does not equal low quality music. Its the way that an artist goes about it is what makes it low quality. e.g. Ja Rule just squeezed every little tiny molecule out of his own career by copying himself over and over and over. The first couple of tracks although not to my taste were decent enough, its just the whole long long long line of similar tracks that followed that were horrible. 50 seems to be doing more or less the same now and DMX singles have become hard to tell apart. The point I'm trying to get at, as already mentioned, is that its mostly the conformist or copying that makes commercial tracks bad.
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hell no

michael jackson was straight quality..nigga sold 35mio "thriller" coppys - commercial -but great..u wanna tell me that all the music legends that sold made bad music ???

bad music is there in the mainstream, but there is just as much bad music in the underground or whateva u wanna call it

niggas on the board are trying to put ghostface in this catogory..ahahhaha...awww shit
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Old 07-23-2005, 03:02 PM   #12
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Default Re: is "commercial" the same thing as "low quality"?

Good question for sure... I like to use commercials themselves as a metaphor... You, know, there are millions of them out there...most boring and see through....You know what product they are selling and they are using the typical boring approach to sell it to you...the end result that they all want... is for you to buy it and for you to think it is the best....

Wu and other good music are those commercials that are funny...those commercials that make you think.... those commercials that are not afraid to go against the norm...or god forbid, leave out a certain demograph of people!

Close line between commercial and poor quality... but they are seperate.
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Old 07-23-2005, 05:04 PM   #14
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Default Re: is "commercial" the same thing as "low quality"?

you guys worry too much. wu-tang is pretty much dead anyways. unless they bring back that classic sound from the ironman/cuban linx/liquid swords/etc era...i will continue to listen to samples of albums to see if the next shitty wu album is even worth my time to make a full purchase.

...masta killa's album was an exception. purchased that on the day it came out. honestly, they need to all take a look at what masta killa put out and realize that no said date was one of the best wu albums to come out in the last five years or so.
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Default Re: is "commercial" the same thing as "low quality"?

Achieving commercial status doesnt necessarily mean low quality. Perfect example is the Wu they created there huge following not by releasing wack shit but by staying true to thier shitr and real will recongize. Some niggas completely change thier style to gain a larger base (Q-Tip, Common) and what happens is they aleinate thier true fans for that pop appeal. In todays fuck circus I call the rap scene its hard to stay true to yourself and music and blow. Everyone has the same formula of success (thanks to Diddy), a club joint (accompained by a video, with the same bitches doing the same thing), a hood joint, a struggle joint, and last but not least a joint for the bitches, wit a guest appearance in the hook.

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