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Old 07-23-2005, 08:27 PM   #16
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^^very well said man
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I think most of you here know how I view and feel about commercial music and what it is. So I'll try and make this brief.


I consider commercialism, mainstream hip-hop. I admit, not all of it is bad. Jadakiss and the rest of D-Block get my respect. But commercialism is mostly that hip-pop. Candy Shop bubble gum music. I don't understand how the masses label this as good music when in fact it is complete bullshit.

Sure Wu had their share of commercial tracks (Gravel Pit, and pretty much the entire Iron Flag album, not to say it didn't have good tracks), but they still maintained their reputation as great emcees. Sure they've been MIA for a while, solo efforts by Ghost saved the Wu and now GZA making his comeback with the new mixtape and the upcoming album with Muggs. So I don't consider them dead, I just consider them in hibernation. Nas was out of the scene for a while, almost a year I think it was, and he came back. Not the same Nas but still respectable Nas.

Commercialism is the everyday, radio play and club ass shaking music. Music that is meant to appeal to the 85's. Extremely watered down so simply that these 12 yr olds can understand it. Commercialism is basically being ran by the white man. People in suits (no offense to the white Wu fans, keep doing your thing). Commercialism is what the rest of the world view as Hip-Hop; killing, bitches, cars, rims, clothes, so called "hustling" and jewelry. These rappers claim all that hustling shit when they're being watched by MTV, BET, and the rest of the media 24/7...when do you have time to hustle?

Commercialism has always been around, even in the golden years of Hip-Hop (the 90's), and it will always exist. It acts like a balance between good and evil. You can never get rid of either. Look at it now, commercialism has dominated the mainstream, underground is underground for a reason. Underground rappers aren't all that great, a lot of them are trying only to make their way to commercialism. Not many artists are trying to bring Hip-Hop back from the dead. That's whats wrong with a lot of emcees. Rebel INS really suprised me with that The Movement. It was supposed to be an album for us backpackers to be proud of. But instead, he traded in his raw 93-97 style for songs about women.

Cher Chez la Ghost was a good track, because it was Ghost. Call me a Ghost dick rider, whatever, Ghost is a very versatile emcee like Rae, they could rap about anything and make it ill. We can always count on certain emcees to keep the small part of Hip-Hop that is still ticking alive. Hip-Hop use to have meaning. Every dog has it's day. Public Enemy and Boogie Down Productions were both great rap groups but we all knew they were gonna reach an end.

Commercialism has basically became music for the rich white kids (once again, no offense to the white Wu fans) trying to get a rep. Club bangers, rump shaking, and thug in love tracks are all that it has become. Also, a bunch of lies. Fake-hustlers trying to make a name for themselves. Cormega should just slap all these fake ass niggas. Commercialism spawned a new era of kids. Bunch of wanna be thugs. Just look at all the Korean, Chinese, and other Asian kids running around here. I'm half Korean and it shames me to see these pricks run around acting like thugs when they know they're just pussies. I often have to regulate on kids like this.

Commercialism is the evil in Hip-Hop. Us backpackers are the only good left in Hip-Hop. But we often find ourselves clinging onto old albums, not really much to hold onto in the present. 36 Chambers, Liquid Swords, Illmatic, Doe Or Die, Revolutionary But Gangsta, and all the other albums we hold on to are only satisfying us. Nothing lately has really nourished us and quenches the thirst we have for another great classic to come along by our favorite artists.

I know I said brief, but whatever. I expect some people to hate, so go ahead.
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Old 07-23-2005, 11:44 PM   #18
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Dam Kid U Are The Regulator ^^^
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When I say backpacker, I don't mean it in the negative way. Cuz I know lots of niggas hate on that word. So by backpacker I mean, real underground/Hip-Hop fans.
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Ahhhhh Thats Better Cuz I Was Thinking ^^^
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yeah and i get paid for it...naw man..just stfu cause i dont give a fuck about ya white ass !!
holy crap, you insulted him so bad by calling his ass white.

no offense, but hes right, every topic i see from you has to do with ghost, and so does 99 percent of your posts...
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holy crap, you insulted him so bad by calling his ass white.

no offense, but hes right, every topic i see from you has to do with ghost, and so does 99 percent of your posts...
Lol, says the man who quoted Ghost in his sig. Haha. It's all good man. We all love Ghost.
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Old 07-24-2005, 12:08 AM   #23
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yeah, i know, haha... dont get me wrong, i love ghost, but theres so much more out there...
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Ghost is the shit, he is one of the illest emcees, but pussy be acting like ghost is the supreme being. Shit the best Emcee is Jesus Christ, have you read revelations? I mean I love ghost, but I ain't gonna bow to him we both gods
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Ghost is the shit, he is one of the illest emcees, but pussy be acting like ghost is the supreme being. Shit the best Emcee is Jesus Christ, have you read revelations? I mean I love ghost, but I ain't gonna bow to him we both gods
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"Commercialism is basically being ran by the white man. People in suits (no offense to the white Wu fans, keep doing your thing)"

-- isn't that kind of bullshit? (i'm white and i never wore a suite ). no, i mean: do "white man" run ja rule? 50 cent? p diddy? i don't think so. i think it's not right to make the subject of commercialism a racial question, though, viewing most of the former posts, many of you will argue on that with me.

hiphop first appeared for me through eminem, which was, i think & admit, a massive breakthrough of hiphop for "the white man". but starting with this kind of mainstream, i dug deeper and found the earlier wu tang albums, which were kind of a revelation for that, i considered, was the real hiphop. so maybe mainstream is a kind of a good start to discover more and deeper music, just like learning how to read: first you have an easy book, before digging deeper into literature. think about it.
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Ghost is the shit, he is one of the illest emcees, but pussy be acting like ghost is the supreme being. Shit the best Emcee is Jesus Christ, have you read revelations? I mean I love ghost, but I ain't gonna bow to him we both gods
i swear yall fucked up - let a nigga talk bout what he wanna talk..ghost is my fav rapper of all time and i dont wanna talk bout UGOD or Meth or other wu members cause i dont like em like that, get it ??? - and i am talking bout everything - check out my posts in the other areas...

ima make a new ghost thread now - fuck yall
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yeah, i know, haha... dont get me wrong, i love ghost, but theres so much more out there...
u named ya self ghost deini, got ghosts Supreme Clientele, ghost verse from cant it all be so simple remix in ya sigh - and u have the nerve to call me a dickrider ?? whaahhaha
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u named ya self ghost deini, got ghosts Supreme Clientele, ghost verse from cant it all be so simple remix in ya sigh - and u have the nerve to call me a dickrider ?? whaahhaha
Sounds like someone got sonned right now. Haha.
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yeah cause he can enjoy ghosts music, you wanna straight up fuck ghost or some shit
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