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Old 08-22-2013, 05:00 PM   #3856
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"But I Have As Of Yet To Die : Iceman, The Angel, The Beast, The Cyclops
Ghost Of Fury Battle Rifle Motion Censor Your Defeat When Out Of The Sky Drops:
Long Live The Dragon Slayer King Of The Cage....
I Fought The Taskmaster-Devil For A Thousand Days
I Defeated Him And Broke Off 1 Of His Horns
For It Is Now Filled With Flowers, Meat, Fruits & Vegetables A Cornucopia Display
At Dawn Punch Your Body Crash You Sideways Through 8 Redwood Trees
I Killed An Unsacred Dragon In My Crib As An Infant Like Hercules
I Punch A Giant Lieutenant He Flies Through The Breeze
He Dies His Body Lies Amongst The Mountain Communities
Where The Sphinx Was Killing All Who Could Not Solve A Riddle
I Got Drunk A Little Solved The Riddle!
Immediately She Killed Herself Then I Went Off Into The Land
And Then To Leave 1 Thousand Men Crippled"
Every time I hear a Warcloud verse I haven't heard before...it fills me with joy. I can't stop smiling and replaying it
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Somebody talk to Skarekrow and find out what the deal is with that album.
Any news about this ?
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It's been coming out since 2011, rumour was it's a remix album...
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:20 AM   #3860
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PEACE & Welcome....

Yeah I think his styles go something like this in this order...

Holocaust/Silkworm ~ His Original Style Like On Killarmy,Bobby Digital,Punishment
Architect Holocaust ~ Old Toy Room,Midnight In The Garden Of Good,1 Standard Lesson...
Warcloud ~ Holocaust Turned Inside-out
Alcatraz ~ The Mr. HYDE Of Warcloud!!!
The Holocaust ~ Blue Sky Black Death Album
The Robot Tank ~ Interpreter To Humans?

I think that is right^
Yeah his 2 Warcloud albums I heard were jus for fun!!!
That he diddn't even take it really seriously!!!
As for his voice....

On the 2 Warcloud albums Alcatraz appears in a few tracks
"Castle Freak Of Bone Romania" with the high pitched voice and insane lyrics...
I also heard that he was on some drugs back then so maybe that was why his voice was
All fucked up and high pitched?
Or it could jus be a completely different charater >
But kniow he finds it hard to return back to that voice?
Like on I Catch Fire he says:

"Once Known As The Holocaust Of The Wu-Tang Clan...ALCATRAZ...I CATCH FIRE"

He certainly takes this alter-ego thing to the limit though!!!
Also that track "On The High Side Of The Sky"...........That is The Robot Tank I think
Being born!!!!

"I Rap Like Machinary Rappers All Catch A Brainwash".........

The Robot Tank:

I have always considered The Robot Tank as his last name...or his last transformation
He says on some interview about how the Holocaust was like the caterpillaer
And Warcloud became the crysalis and The Robot Tank is what emerged!!!
Something like that anyway.
The Robot Tank is the....highest

I think that he is emulating his new title...like you said he now has this
Monotone Kind Of Flow = The Robot Tank

Like he is not a human or something?
On Miserable Renounce he says something like

"The Biggest Crocodile Killed Was 27 Feet And Deemed Cold Blooded You Guess"

As if he has some next unknown knowlegde that we are unaware of?
Or perhaps he is like some kind of Robot interpreter to humans ? Ha Ha
This is why I like him so much!!!!
He always flipps the script.
Again on "Who Came Under The Spell" he talks about some interesting things

Warghosts ~ Who Came Under The Spell:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/427849438ba16e/

Like he knows what is gonna happen to the human race.
Well thats the sort of vibe I get when I listen to him in his Robot Tank mode!
He needs to drop that new album of his!!!!
It got pushed back...this would really give us an idea of what he is doing
Just like the Blue Sky Black Death one

PEACE Bro....

I found this post to be really interesting, and perfectly describes Warcloud. However, one persona I haven't seen mentioned much, is his Skeleton Lobe persona.





It seems like the transitional period between Holocaust and Warcloud, but also seems like a persona within the Architect persona.
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Thanks.

Yeah "Skeleton Lowe" is a bit like "Alcatraz" to "Warcloud" in that respect-
Just not as much material, so I would put that style under "The Architect" umbrella
Although he does refer to himself as "Skeleton Lowe" in a handful of Warcloud tracks.
But I agree it does have elements of Holocaust/Architect
All be it with the intensity levels somewhat lowered.

It's almost as if he's :

Designing the dimensions of the pool as The Architect
Throwing people in the deep end as Holocaust
Dipping is toe in the pool as Skeleton Lowe
Sitting by the edge as Warcloud
Sinking to the bottom as Alcatraz
Returning from the depths as The Robot Tank.

Would really like to see if that timeline is correct
As I've heard he views himself as Warcloud
As well as how young he was when The Architect material came out
"Midnight In The Garden Of Good" was the first song I ever heard of him
So if it is correct people need to seriously sit down and think about that.
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Old 09-16-2013, 11:44 AM   #3862
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Yeah "Skeleton Lowe" is a bit like "Alcatraz" to "Warcloud" in that respect-
Just not as much material, so I would put that style under "The Architect" umbrella
Although he does refer to himself as "Skeleton Lowe" in a handful of Warcloud tracks.
But I agree it does have elements of Holocaust/Architect
All be it with the intensity levels somewhat lowered.

It's almost as if he's :

Designing the dimensions of the pool as The Architect
Throwing people in the deep end as Holocaust
Dipping is toe in the pool as Skeleton Lowe
Sitting by the edge as Warcloud
Sinking to the bottom as Alcatraz
Returning from the depths as The Robot Tank.

Would really like to see if that timeline is correct
As I've heard he views himself as Warcloud
As well as how young he was when The Architect material came out
"Midnight In The Garden Of Good" was the first song I ever heard of him
So if it is correct people need to seriously sit down and think about that.

That makes total sense. It was truly no exaggeration when he spat the lines:

"The humble young merchant, 80 minds in one person/
They hop in and out time to time, that's why I'm cursing/"

I don't think many people realize just how creative he really is, and your posts really break that down. More people need to pay attention.
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Good spot, also when he says :

"An Instrument Of Emcees...Land Mass Destruction Destructing The Cowards
Disapear From The Radar Screen For Hours - My Mind Is An Atomic Power"


&

"I Try To Think Hard About Every Rhyme That I Do....Check Out My Crew"

Both of these could be him referring to himself as others.



Don't know if you've seen this but if you like breakdowns this should be good :

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/sho...5&postcount=59
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Old 09-16-2013, 03:29 PM   #3864
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Good spot, also when he says :

"An Instrument Of Emcees...Land Mass Destruction Destructing The Cowards
Disapear From The Radar Screen For Hours - My Mind Is An Atomic Power"


&

"I Try To Think Hard About Every Rhyme That I Do....Check Out My Crew"

Both of these could be him referring to himself as others.



Don't know if you've seen this but if you like breakdowns this should be good :

http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/sho...5&postcount=59

That was an excellent breakdown, it fully puts everything into perspective. Given the more recent tracks, I think Holocaust is going full circle and reemerging with his Architect persona, but with a looser flow.





His voice, vocabulary, and imagery of the persona are present, just delivered in a more unorthodox form for that persona.
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I was also doing a bit of digging, and came across this verse that sounds like a prototype of a Warcloud persona that was never expanded upon. The delivery reminds me of Kool Keith's Mr. Nogatco persona.

"Love is evil backwards."

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"Who Do You Trust School Or All Of Us ?"

Yeah that's a line right there you quoted.

Reminds me of "The Greatest Revenge Was My Betrayal"


I feel you about coming full circle with this styles
I thought the same when I heard this a while ago :



I notice he says Alcatraz on an array of songs where each time he sounds different
And is probably the most interesting given he seems to have evolved within that style
Bar far the most wide in terms of range as well as trying to identify
The known Alcatraz persona of the weird voice and multi's
Is often not what is attached to the name....
And given the name it could be some kind of holding chamber for each persona
Or the place where they all rest so to speak, like he's the vessel to contain them all
So under that name he could showcase any one of his choosing ?
Like on "Gun Grave" it's much more Architect-like than Alcatraz in terms of style.
Same on "I Catch Fire" :

"I'm Loud So Blood Is On The Wing Alcatraz Is Too Proud
I Killed 48 Men And 1 For Snoring Too Loud"


But definitely the most intriguing given sometimes within this "style"
It can't really be compared to others of the same tag.

Like this :



Certain tracks are hard to place in a category so I think in that sense you're right
There must be transition between the 2 to separate them.

I've never heard someone sound so different so many times.

Dude's on some next shit.
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Old 09-16-2013, 06:00 PM   #3867
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I notice he says Alcatraz on an array of songs where each time he sounds different
And is probably the most interesting given he seems to have evolved within that style
Bar far the most wide in terms of range as well as trying to identify
The known Alcatraz persona of the weird voice and multi's
Is often not what is attached to the name....
And given the name it could be some kind of holding chamber for each persona
Or the place where they all rest so to speak, like he's the vessel to contain them all
So under that name he could showcase any one of his choosing ?
Like on "Gun Grave" it's much more Architect-like than Alcatraz in terms of style.
Same on "I Catch Fire" :

"I'm Loud So Blood Is On The Wing Alcatraz Is Too Proud
I Killed 48 Men And 1 For Snoring Too Loud"


But definitely the most intriguing given sometimes within this "style"
It can't really be compared to others of the same tag.

So in a sense, the reason the weird voiced/multi Alcatraz is so off the wall lyrically/difficult to identify in specific character, is because Alcatraz is the "God" persona that houses the 80 minds of Warcloud.





"People fear the mind of God, some are morons."

This line directly references the Alcatraz connection to all personas, but more through the perspective of the observer. Alcatraz isn't accessible to the average Hip Hop listener, therefore the often dismissal of the persona is countered, provoking the listener by implying he's feared because they don't understand/try to understand his mind.
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So in a sense, the reason the weird voiced/multi Alcatraz is so off the wall lyrically/difficult to identify in specific character, is because Alcatraz is the "God" persona that houses the 80 minds of Warcloud.
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Yeah I think that makes sense ^^

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"People fear the mind of God, some are morons."

This line directly references the Alcatraz connection to all personas, but more through the perspective of the observer. Alcatraz isn't accessible to the average Hip Hop listener, therefore the often dismissal of the persona is countered, provoking the listener by implying he's feared because they don't understand/try to understand his mind.
It's ood to see someone's mind get sparked by his lines, it's not nonsense
Sometimes I think maybe "he" just wanted to do something different
Compared to both Holocaust & Warcloud and didn't think it would be just
To continue using that name and evidently a different style emerges
This Alcatraz theory would be perfect as in...it's like a free or dummy run
Like he dosen't have to/want to take credit for?
Simply experimenting under a different title but on a deeper level this time.

In the sense that if GZA or Canibus for example were to spit a different type verse
They would still be "them" and most likely would get a negative response
As it is so far away from the norm of what the listener is used to.
But it's all under the same name/same person

Where this way it has a label or even better a new artist so to speak
Detaching from the other well respect art of the predecessors.
I'm just thinking Alcatraz is vast, so you could look at it like inmates coming speaking.

Architect : Before His Time
Holocaust : Self Explanatory
Warcloud : Down The Rabbit Hole
Alcatraz : ???????
The Holocaust : Blue Sky Black Death
The Robot Tank : Did You Know....

Makes you think huh ?
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