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Old 11-15-2007, 09:33 AM   #16
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2pac sounds like Willie D.
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Old 11-15-2007, 09:38 AM   #17
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well it's like this...

tupac is, for the ghey hip hop fan and his straight sister, a sex image that can be hailed and glorified and obsessed over while appearing to be something about the gangster lifestyle.

men with pictures of men's faces on their shirts are usually fagistical gay-queers, but i digress.
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Old 11-15-2007, 10:30 AM   #18
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he's nicer than anybody in your top 3
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Old 11-15-2007, 10:38 AM   #19
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was never a fan but he gave people in th streets something they could relate to and he satisfied many people's gangsta wannabe fetish.
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Old 11-15-2007, 11:02 AM   #20
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i dont listen to him cause the government shot him and the government made him a big deal so thats my protest against the government's manipulation
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Old 11-15-2007, 03:21 PM   #21
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not even in the top 20. Wu Tang Clan have 6 or 7 (maybe even 8 or 9) better rappers than 2pac in just one group.
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Old 11-15-2007, 04:04 PM   #22
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I just had a random thought, if Biggie and Pac were alive today they'd probably have squashed their beef and be rappin on neptunes and timbaland beats.
maybe biggie, but pac would have gone the ice cube route, strictly movies cause his hip hop career would have been over like 8 years ago
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Old 11-15-2007, 04:27 PM   #23
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man, gettin some pac hate goin on huh? 2pac put more soul into his raps than 98 percent of these cats, thats why he gets the love he gets. and people in the hood ALWAYS felt pac. i do agree that everything he did wasnt gold, but "me against the world" was a classic. "strictly for my niggaz" , "the 7 day theory" & "all eyez on me" were all good albums. i always thought biggie was the more overrated of the two. 1 classic debut and a double disc that should have been a single disc. big pun, odb & big l need more love dammit!
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Old 11-15-2007, 05:05 PM   #24
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man, gettin some pac hate goin on huh? 2pac put more soul into his raps than 98 percent of these cats, thats why he gets the love he gets. and people in the hood ALWAYS felt pac. i do agree that everything he did wasnt gold, but "me against the world" was a classic. "strictly for my niggaz" , "the 7 day theory" & "all eyez on me" were all good albums. i always thought biggie was the more overrated of the two. 1 classic debut and a double disc that should have been a single disc. big pun, odb & big l need more love dammit!
1. not to start shit but saying that biggie gets too much love for his 2 albums and then saying pun and big l deserve more love in the same sentence is kinda hypocritical.

that's not my real point though....


as a pac hater i will agree with most of what you said.

i never felt me against the world but i think Strictly, 2Pacalypse, and All Eyez on Me are definately dope records. the Makaveli record is also incredible but as completely fucked as it seems i look at rapper's different personalities as different artists so therefore i don't consider 7 day Theory to be a Pac record. Perfect example of this is Madlib. I don't judge yesterday's new quintet the way i judge Quasimoto, or even Madlib himself. i judge Kool Keith's shit all differently. Yes i will still give credit to Kool Keith for all his aliases and same with Madlib but i keep personalities seperate. Not that that matters at all but, those records are dope. however i think pac had a short shelf life as a rapper because even though he was felt in the hood he was still not a real gangster and it would have been only a matter of time before he went full on hollywood and his rap career would have died. why did ice cube convert so easily? because he wasn't a real gangster, he was just well associated, so when he had the chance he dipped. just like pac wasn't a real tough gangster or anything. he just saw that when he was famous he could get away with anything so he played the "bad boy" role. don't get it twisted, he wasn't tough, he was a damn dancer for fuck sake. he just DECIDED to become a "bad boy" cause it helped his rapper IMAGE. biggie would have made it further because he was real and he could flow.

pac could write, biggie could flow. in the end, as far as staying power, flow wins


yeah you gotta have substance too but you can have a ton of substance but without flow it don't work (canibus) and since death row collapsed and puffy blew up (arguably, haha, well, factually, because of biggie's death), pac's substance wouldn't work without good production (canibus) and therefore pac's music career would go down the road of.....canibus, except pac had a movie career so that would be his savior and he would make great movies and not make albums anymore, except as novelties like ice cube does (no offense to ice cube....maybe to pac though)
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:11 PM   #25
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2pac is a good rapper. im not a fan of his. I listen to all of his supposed classics then I deleted them cuz I aint a 2pac fan. What I dont like are people who dont know nothing about hipo hop tend to like 2 pac. why?
if some one is gonna like hip hop they should expand their mind.
so I kinda agree with the threadstarter.
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:13 PM   #26
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I don't Tupac's hype either........
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Old 11-15-2007, 08:18 PM   #27
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No, RZA didn't produce it.
2pac just used the beat from 'Bring the Pain', rapped over it, used the hook. He was a huge Wu-Tang Clan fan
no he didn't. he used the beginning few lines from Meth as the chorus. the beat is way different.
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Tupac was a good emcee, I liked his style at the time. Pac had alot of character which is why people were drawn to his music. It's like Eminem, it's not because he was white that made him succesfull, it was because he has character. Artists that have these types of personalitys regardless of genre of music are always going to intrigue outsiders, this is what separates an regular artist from an icon.
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Old 11-15-2007, 10:09 PM   #29
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some of you guys are so fucking stupid
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Old 11-15-2007, 10:23 PM   #30
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I love Pac, but at the same time I think he's way overrated. Him and The Game are have the same syndrome.... they repeat the same shit in every song it seems... maybe alittle overexaggerated but I see him repeating the same lines subliminaly. I'll listin' to Pac when I'm inna mood where as I don't care for the lyrics, just the soulfull sound, my altime favorite Pac song was "Pain", the lyrics were the same in some songs, but it was put together very well. Almost every song of his was put together very very well, like everything fits, I think thats why some people like him (some), others are knuckleheads who wouldn't give the time of day to listin' to some crazy-ass joints from Big L.


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