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Old 11-27-2016, 02:39 AM   #1
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classic album
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Old 11-27-2016, 12:50 PM   #2
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never heard of these dudes but i dont like west coast hip hop all too much so that explains it.

i also really dont care for ice t's black America political bullshit all the time, this is kinda weak for a heavy metal album...

your big on genres i dont know exactly what'd you call this but a shit ton of groups like these are hip hop influenced (mostly Wu-Tang and specifically ODB) shit fucking slams on a system though i tell you what.



now this right here, this is heavy metal for hip hop heads

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I'm not really a fan of Ice T's hip hop aside from the song "New Jack Hustler" but I like this album, its raw hip hop inspired thrash.

Highlights include:
The infamous controversial "Cop Killer"








This is worth mentioning also, love this

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Old 11-27-2016, 11:54 PM   #4
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^^

man totally disagree those songs are weak as all hell.

but now that i come to think of it most 'thrash' was really kinda weak to be honest with you. glad that ship has sailed. when theres shit like this nowadays, 'thrash' never stood a chance to last... but i guess it was needed to build upon so it did its job.

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Old 11-28-2016, 12:03 AM   #5
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^That kind of stuff I would consider groove or nu metal, not my cup of tea. It emerged when thrash was basically wiped out from the popularity of grunge and hip hop, bands started to slow things down & add elements of those styles to stay relevant.
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Old 11-28-2016, 12:31 AM   #6
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see. id call Body Count 'thrash' w/out the h... get it? lol. jk. id just call them whatever. gay experiment with black supremacist ice t.

ABRB id call 'metalcore' due to the breakdowns and how heavy it is, so being a mixture of heavy metal and hardcore.

and Stay Cold and TUI id call straight up 'hardcore'

what would you call this? if were going by your initial post formula... since this is (half) fronted by a hip hop artists this is (insert genre name here) for hip hoppers as well then...

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Old 11-28-2016, 01:20 AM   #7
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see. id call Body Count 'thrash' w/out the h... get it? lol. jk. id just call them whatever. gay experiment with black supremacist ice t.

ABRB id call 'metalcore' due to the breakdowns and how heavy it is, so being a mixture of heavy metal and hardcore.

and Stay Cold and TUI id call straight up 'hardcore'

what would you call this? if were going by your initial post formula... since this is (half) fronted by a hip hop artists this is (insert genre name here) for hip hoppers as well then...

Transplants sound okay, I don't know what you would call them, Tim Armstrong from Rancid is there which was a decent punk band. Not really into the macho tough guy skinhead hardcore stuff. I like some early british skinhead(they weren't all racist) punk which is called Oi.





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Old 11-28-2016, 01:36 AM   #8
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I used to be a fan of Rancid when I was young...probably the only decent band that spawned from the Green Day(not a fan) American punk revival era.




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Old 11-28-2016, 05:58 PM   #9
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sun... Rancid did not spawn from Green Day.

Rancid spawned from the legendary, (argumentatively) most influential punk/ska band of all time from the late eighties, Operation Ivy. which consisted of Tim Armstrong on the guitar as well as Matt Freeman on bass who would end up becoming two parts of the original trio that was Rancid, until Lars (whose a bit of a clown) was added on their second release, Let's Go. a little fun fact is that Billie Joe Armstrong (lead singer of Green Day) has writing credits on a few songs from Let's Go.

realistically all these dudes were co existing at once but fucking Green Day were a bunch of 12 year old kids at the time but Op Ivy, Op Ivy is what did it for that scene cause Green Day/whatever their name was back then wasnt coming like them. no offense to Green Day they still were helpful for the 'mainstream' appeal/sound of punk at that time and all that but there was a lot more better/harder shit going on in America at that time as well.



and 'Oi' is just another stupid ass lazy genre name. just because it was punk from the UK with irish undertones and they said 'oi' it got this stupid ass name. lame. no one is really memorable/any good from that genre. and The Adicts are far far far from 'Oi' they were some of the poppiest punk ive ever heard (not saying that as a bad thing).

these guys were from Ireland and luckily they didnt get labeled as 'oi'



but yeah you can miss me with that whole Skinhead Rob shit from the Transplants but that album is fucking heavy. the features are icy and its all around a banger. id recommend that to a hip hop head over Body Count any day of the week.
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Old 11-28-2016, 06:13 PM   #10
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...I didn't say Rancid spawned from Green Day, I said they emerged during the same punk revival era. I know about Operation Ivy, not a fan and they're definitely not the most influential ska band of all time. Bands like the Clash & the Specials were doing that style long before. Categorizing genres can be useful to specifically describe types of music for understanding, its really not that big of a deal. Blitz - Voice of a Generation is classic, one of my favorite punk albums.
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see. id call Body Count 'thrash' w/out the h... get it? lol. jk. id just call them whatever. gay experiment with black supremacist ice t.

ABRB id call 'metalcore' due to the breakdowns and how heavy it is, so being a mixture of heavy metal and hardcore.

and Stay Cold and TUI id call straight up 'hardcore'

what would you call this? if were going by your initial post formula... since this is (half) fronted by a hip hop artists this is (insert genre name here) for hip hoppers as well then...

Metacore is some of the cheesiest, simplistic repetitive 'metal' around. Its hatred is almost on par with nu metal.

When it was done right, for example Converge - an actual mix of metal and hardcore, it was excellent, but most metalcore is not like that. Its simplistic downtuned 'chugging' with stupid breakdowns in every song and some cheesy chorus. Jane Doe by Converge is literally all you need from this subgenre.

As for metal and hiphop. I've barely ever heard stuff ive liked. I know Dalek aren't metal, but they mix noise with hip hop and sonically are pretty fuckin metal.

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Metacore is some of the cheesiest, simplistic repetitive 'metal' around. Its hatred is almost on par with nu metal.
Agreed, its for posers
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...I didn't say Rancid spawned from Green Day, I said they emerged during the same punk revival era. I know about Operation Ivy, not a fan and they're definitely not the most influential ska band of all time. Bands like the Clash & the Specials were doing that style long before. Categorizing genres can be useful to specifically describe types of music for understanding, its really not that big of a deal. Blitz - Voice of a Generation is classic, one of my favorite punk albums.
i said punk ska.

The Clash (btw my fav band/most important band of all time/the only band that matters) arent straight ska and only have a handful of songs that even utilize the main guitar component for ska. but The Specials were. none of those groups... or any other groups for that matter were doing Operation Ivy's style of (hardcore) punk/ska. needless to say Tim Armstrong's biggest influence was The Clash/Joe Strummer, reference his "Life Won't Wait" album.

and denouncing metal core yet referencing a classic album from the genre.. smh. i dont care too much for the genre as well but i have found some dope bands from it.

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I had that Converge - Jane Doe album because all the cool seniors that sold me drugs told me to get it. They also recommended other shitty bands like The Blood Brothers, The Locust and Dillinger Escape Plan. I found it all pretty boring and returned to my Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Judas Priest and Slayer albums. The Clash fused punk and reggae, I've heard plenty of stuff by them with those elements. Even on the first album "Police and thieves" which is a great song. I don't like the vocalist of Operation Ivy is the issue, Tim Armstrong has a better voice

*By the way, Sex Pistols > Clash

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^^^

haha enough said. Dillinger Escape Plan has at least one super tight album though... hate to break it to ya. lol.

and just for nostalgia purposes for me, Jesse's band after Op Ivy. and he kills it with the cadence if i dont say so myself hahah.

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