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Old 09-11-2005, 10:37 AM   #1
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"EARTH IS AN INSANE ASYLUM, TO WHICH THE OTHER PLANETS DEPORT THEIR LUNATICS." -Voltaire (Memnon the Philosopher).

Controversial fluoride is one of the basic ingredients in both PROZAC (FLUoxetene Hydrochloride) and Sarin nerve gas (Isopropyl-Methyl-Phosphoryl FLUoride).

Sodium fluoride, a hazardous-waste by-product from the manufacture of aluminum, is a common ingredient in rat and cockroach poisons, anesthetics, hypnotics, psychiatric drugs, and military nerve gas. It's historically been quite expensive to properly dispose of, until some aluminum industries with an overabundance of the stuff sold the public on the terrifically insane but highly profitable idea of buying it at a 20,000% markup, injecting it into our water supplies, and then DRINKING it.

Yes, a 20,000% markup: Fluoride - intended only for human consumption by people under 14 years of age - is injected into our drinking water supply at approx. 1 part-per-million (ppm), but since we only drink half of one percent of the total water supply, the rest literally goes down the drain as a free hazardous-waste disposal for the chemical industry, where we PAY them so that we can flush their expensive hazardous waste down our toilets. How many salesmen dream of such a deal? (Follow the money.)

Independent scientific evidence repeatedly showing up over the past 50 years reveals that fluoride allegedly shortens our life span, promotes cancer and various mental disturbances, accelerates osteoporosis and broken hips in old folks, and makes us stupid, docile, and subservient, all in one package. There are reports of aluminum in the brain possibly being a causative factor in Alzheimer's Disease, and evidence points towards fluoride's strong affinity for aluminum and also its ability to "trick" the blood-brain barrier by looking like the hydrogen ion, and thus allowing chemical access to brain tissue.

Scientists who have attempted to blow the whistle on this mega-bucks PR ploy have consistently been given a very unscientific Black-PR treatment, and thus their valid points disputing the current vested interests never arrive in the press. Follow the money to find the control. In 1952 the slick PR campaign which ramrodded the concept of fluoridation through via our Public Health departments and various dental organizations was likened to a highly-emotional "beer-salesman's convention" instead of the objective scientific experiment which it should properly have been. It's continued in that vein right up to present time. To illustrate the emotional vs. the scientific nature of this issue, just look at the response given by people (perhaps yourself included?) when the subject of fluoridation comes up. Ask yourself, "Is this response EMOTIONAL BLUSTER, or is it UNBIASED AND OPENLY INTERESTED OBJECTIVITY?" There is a tremendous amount of emotional, highly unscientific know-it-all ! attached to fluoridation. Many truly independent (unattached to any vested-interest) scientists who've spent a large portion of their lives studying and working with this subject have been subjected to a surprising amount of uncalled-for and unfair character assassination from strong vested-interest groups who profit from the public's ignorance as well as from their illnesses. (Follow the money.)

Do you have diabetes or kidney disease? There are reportedly more than 11 million Americans with diabetes. Since many diabetics drink more liquids than other people, then according to the Physicians Desk Reference these 11 million Americans probably shouldn't drink fluoridated water, because in doing so, they'll receive an excessive dose of fluoride.

Kidney disease, by definition, lowers the efficiency of the kidneys, which is your main route of fluoride elimination. So those people with kidney disease also shouldn't drink fluoridated water. Cases are on record (Annapolis, Maryland, 1979) where kidney patients on dialysis machines died, due to a fluoride overdose in the city water supply.

Let's begin at the beginning:

The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin. And for more on I.G. Farben you might also care to see "Can I pour you a cup?".)

The following letter was received by the Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research, Milwaukee Wisconsin, on 2 October 1954, from Mr. Charles Perkins, a chemist:

"I have your letter of September 29 asking for further documentation regarding a statement made in my book, The Truth About Water Fluoridation, to the effect that the idea of water fluoridation was brought to England from Russia by the Russian Communist Kreminoff. "In the 1930's, Hitler and the German Nazi's envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by a Nazi philosophy of pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies. By this method they could control the population in whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in women, and so on. In this scheme of mass-control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place . . . .

"Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. [A convenient light lobotomy]

"The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children's teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty.

"When the Nazis under Hitler decided to go into Poland, both the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans, and personnel, and the scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to communize the world . . . .

"I was told of this entire scheme by a German chemist who was an official of the great I.G. Farben chemical industries and was also prominent in the Nazi movement at the time. I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years' research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine - any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person mentally or physically." - CHARLES E. PERKINS, Chemist, 2 October 1954.





Quoting Einstein's nephew, Dr. E.H. Bronner (a chemist who had also been a prisoner of war during WWII) in a letter printed in The Catholic Mirror, Springfield, MA, January 1952:

"It appears that the citizens of Massachusetts are among the 'next' on the agenda of the water poisoners.

"There is a sinister network of subversive agents, Godless 'intellectual' parasites, working in our country today whose ramifications grow more extensive, more successful and more alarming each new year and whose true objective is to demoralize, paralyze and destroy our great Republic - from within if they can, according to their plan - for their own possession. The tragic success they have already attained in their long siege to destroy the moral fiber of American life is now one of their most potent footholds towards their own ultimate victory over us.

"Fluoridation of our community water systems can well become their most subtle weapon for our sure physical and mental deterioration . . . .

"As a research chemist of established standing, I built within the past 22 years, 3 American chemical plants and licensed 6 of my 53 patents. Based on my years of practical experience in the health-food and chemical field, let me warn: fluoridation of drinking water is criminal insanity, sure national suicide. Don't do it.

"Even in small quantities, sodium fluoride is a deadly poison to which no effective antidote has been found. Every exterminator knows that it is the most efficient rat-killer . . . . Sodium fluoride is entirely different from organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate needed by our bodies and provided by nature, in God's great providence and love, to build and strengthen our bones and our teeth. This organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate, derived from proper foods, is an edible organic salt, insoluble in water and assailable by the human body, whereas the non-organic sodium fluoride used in fluoridating water is instant poison to the body and fully water soluble. The body refuses to assimilate it. Careful, bonafide laboratory experimentation by conscientious, patriotic research chemists, and actual medical experience, have both revealed that instead of preserving or promoting 'dental health,' fluoridated drinking water destroys teeth, before adulthood and after, by the destructive mottling and other pathological conditions it actually causes in them, and also creates many other very grave pathological conditions in the internal organisms of bodies consuming it. How can it be called a "health" plan? What's behind it?

"That any so-called 'doctors' would persuade a civilized nation to add voluntarily a deadly poison to its drinking water systems is unbelievable. It is the height of criminal insanity. No wonder Hitler and Stalin fully believed and agreed from 1939 to 1941 that, quoting from both Lenin's Last Will and Hitler's Mein Kampf:

"America we shall demoralize, divide, and destroy from within."

"Are our Civil Defense organizations and agencies awake to the perils of water poisoning by fluoridation? Its use has been recorded in other countries. Sodium fluoride water solutions are the cheapest and most effective rat killers known to chemists: colorless, odorless, tasteless; no antidote, no remedy, no hope: Instant and complete extermination of rats . . . .

"Fluoridation of water systems can be slow national suicide, or quick national liquidation. It is criminal insanity - treason!" Dr. E.H. Bronner, Mfg. Research Chemist, Los Angeles.





Earliest available Russian fluoride evidence:

"I, Oliver Kenneth Goff, was a member of the Communist Party and the Young Communist League, from May 2, 1936, to October 9, 1939. During this period of time, I operated under the alias of John Keats with number 18-B-2. My testimony before the Government is in Volume 9 of the Un-American Activities Report for 1939.

"While a member of the Communist Party, I attended Communist training schools in New York and Wisconsin ... and we were trained in the revolutionary overthrow of the U.S. Government. "... We discussed quite thoroughly the fluoridation of water supplies and how we were using it in Russia as a tranquilizer in the prison camps. The leaders of our school felt that if it could be induced into the American water supply, it would bring about a spirit of lethargy in the nation, where it could keep the general public docile during a steady encroachment of Communism. We also discussed the fact that keeping a store of deadly fluoride near the water reservoir would be advantageous during the time of the revolution, as it would give us opportunity to dump this poison into the water supply and either kill off the populace or threaten them with liquidation, so that they would surrender to obtain fresh water.

Related Research: The Crime and Punishment of I. G. Farben by Joseph Borkin (out of print book search). Health Effects of Ingested Fluoride by Bernard Meyer Wagner. Fluoridation : the Great Dilemma by George L. Waldbott. Fluoride the Aging Factor : How to Recognize and Avoid the Devastating Effects of Fluoride by John, Dr. Yiamouyiannis. Scientific Knowledge in Controversy : The Social Dynamics of the Fluoridation Debate by Brian Martin. Medical Mafia by Guylaine Lanctot. Racketeering in Medicine by James P. Carter. The Cure for All Diseases by Dr. Hulda Regehr Clark. Censured for Curing Cancer : The American Experience of Dr. Max Gerson by S.J. Haught
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Old 09-11-2005, 10:41 AM   #2
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I only know that you shouldnt swallow your toothpaste, and if you do its not that bad because the dose is quite low here.

Also we dont have fluor in the water so no problem here ;P.

BTW I didnt read it all but I know Nazi had plans with it because it makes people stupid, but this is not comparable to what we have here in Europe atleast, seems a little overexaggerated. It's not like Bush doesnt use flouride.
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Old 09-11-2005, 10:45 AM   #3
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is bottled water flouride free, for example poland spring or evian?

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Old 09-11-2005, 12:15 PM   #4
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lol
no it isnt

READ THE LABELS
and its fucking supposed to natural water!!!!
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the only solution: drink beer!
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...was put into our water supply by communists. Right? That's what they were saying back in the 50's.

Any reputable scientist would look at this thread and laugh, just like all of the other ones you've made, because they all are a bunch of leftist nutbag conspiracy theory nonsense perpetuated by people who have no idea what they're talking about.
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that was a qoute from a book..

what are your thoughts on flouride in the water.. do u enjoy the right hand side of ur mind being 'scrambled'
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I'm indifferent to the fact that we have flouride in the water. But I'm glad we have it their because its healthy. Which is why they put it their in the first place.
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whats the solution then couzin?
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I don't see a problem for there to be a solution to.
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If you guys want the truth about flouride from some one who works for one of the largest water companies in North America then here it is....................

Flouride can be fatal in large quantities

Flouride mixed with Chlorine is explosive in large quantities

Flouride can be get you sick in large quantities expecially if your allergic to it

Flouride brightens your smile and promotes healthy teeth

The accusation that flouride causes cancer and slew of other illnes is debatable- there is no real evidence or exstensive studies to back this claim up. You would have to take a group of children from birth and montior everything(analyzing every factor) that they do until they die and record how much tap water they each drink backed up with a complete medical history of each child in question

Bottled water is not monitored as well as tap water and is not held up to the same standards of clenliness as tap water- Nor is it tested as often- essentially it is the bottled water companies that have you fooled and are making a profit over this flouride "myth"
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...was put into our water supply by communists. Right? That's what they were saying back in the 50's.

Any reputable scientist would look at this thread and laugh, just like all of the other ones you've made, because they all are a bunch of leftist nutbag conspiracy theory nonsense perpetuated by people who have no idea what they're talking about.
So you're 100% sure that fluoride is good for you?
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I'm not 100% about anything. I'm 99.9% sure.
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yeah what charging soldier said ^^, but anything is poisonous in large quantities. Theres no flour in my water, just brush your teeth with it..
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in large quantities its bad.. the amount in toothpaste is very limited.. cant really harm u unless u eat toothpaste like its some mint sweet thing..:s
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