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Old 07-07-2009, 05:04 AM   #1
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and if he isn't, why should we care that the romans got his alien ass.
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Old 07-07-2009, 05:15 AM   #2
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Old 07-07-2009, 11:17 AM   #3
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Hey Zeus - why did they name him this or did they really name him this ?

his name was supposed to be Immanuel -


  1. Isaiah 7:14
    Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
    Isaiah 7:13-15 (in Context) Isaiah 7 (Whole Chapter)


  1. Isaiah 8:8
    and sweep on into Judah, swirling over it, passing through it and reaching up to the neck. Its outspread wings will cover the breadth of your land, O Immanuel !"
    Isaiah 8:7-9 (in Context) Isaiah 8 (Whole Chapter)


  1. Matthew 1:23
    "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" —which means, "God with us."
    Matthew 1:22-24 (in Context) Matthew 1 (Whole Chapter)


now what does jesus mean ?


hey zeus
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Old 07-07-2009, 01:19 PM   #4
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"fuck a pagan jesus, worship the black prophets"
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Old 07-07-2009, 02:45 PM   #5
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he was a jew.
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whats the difference between a jew and a hebrew ?


if he was a jew, he'd be one because his father, Joseph was a jew - but its said that joseph is not his father - so how is jesus a jew ?


the bible says that joseph is his father - why do people skip over this part ?
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Old 07-07-2009, 03:29 PM   #7
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joseph left the poor bastard when he was just a kid.
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i know it doesn't say that in the bible, but i'm guessing that's what happened.
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Old 07-07-2009, 03:45 PM   #9
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whats the difference between a jew and a hebrew ?


if he was a jew, he'd be one because his father, Joseph was a jew - but its said that joseph is not his father - so how is jesus a jew ?


the bible says that joseph is his father - why do people skip over this part ?
joseph was married to mary

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24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
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Old 07-07-2009, 04:26 PM   #10
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Hey Zeus - why did they name him this or did they really name him this ?

his name was supposed to be Immanuel -


  1. Isaiah 7:14
    Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
    Isaiah 7:13-15 (in Context) Isaiah 7 (Whole Chapter)


  1. Isaiah 8:8
    and sweep on into Judah, swirling over it, passing through it and reaching up to the neck. Its outspread wings will cover the breadth of your land, O Immanuel !"
    Isaiah 8:7-9 (in Context) Isaiah 8 (Whole Chapter)


  1. Matthew 1:23
    "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" —which means, "God with us."
    Matthew 1:22-24 (in Context) Matthew 1 (Whole Chapter)


now what does jesus mean ?


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this is where youre wrong, if you knew hebrew, you would know that old testament uses of 'virgin' not only in isaiah but also in jeremiah, was mistranslated into greek. the hebraic word means 'young maiden', who often happen to be virgins, but were not exclusively so. this is why so called 'prophesies' about 'virgin' births often occur mid sentence and out of context. because they arent prophesies. they were co-opted much later to be prophesies. i learned this from a teacher of hebraic studies.

the idea of the virgin birth and the resurrection is an almagram of older stories, most obviously seen in egypt/kemet

when the bible was translated there were many other interesting misconnotations, such as with the sodom and gomorrah story

the jews believed in a messiah. jesus (whatever you want to call him) was smart enough to claim he was the messiah (like countless other zealots of the day) bc it gave him credibility. and by all accounts jesus knew his scripture, thus he rode in on a donkey for example to 'fulfill' 'prophesy'
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^^They got that one wrong too.
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whats the difference between a jew and a hebrew ?


if he was a jew, he'd be one because his father, Joseph was a jew - but its said that joseph is not his father - so how is jesus a jew ?


the bible says that joseph is his father - why do people skip over this part ?
it`s through your mother that you are really jewish that is the rule!!!! it goes back to isaac and ishmael....ishmaels mother was hagar the slave ( i think she was eygptian) and isaacs mother was sarah abrahams true wife and it was through sarah and abrahams child that the covant and the nation of hebrew israelites would be established which is through isaac`s son jacob (who`s sons later became the twelve tribes of israel) and from that point on to be called a real jew it has to be through your mother beacuse sarah not hagar was abrahams true wife and through her child the covant and the nation would be established.


peace be with you !

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this is where youre wrong, if you knew hebrew,'

i asked 2 questions and made one statement - how am i wrong ?

i placed those scriptures there to note that the child will be named immanuel - i didn't place those scriptures there for us to discuss whether mary was a virgin or not -


so where am i wrong ?
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