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Old 08-17-2009, 07:36 AM   #31
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This is called Pascal's Gambit and it fails because if you follow it's logic you must apply it's train of thought to every single different definition of "God" that exists (Allah, Jehovah, etc, etc.).
if a religion attest its knowledge to the Original Creator then how could they have anything but a single source?.......meaning I don't think the logic fails. I think the scope and the tendency of humans to pigeonhole themselves is what fails. The grandest thoughts and desprictions of God's grandeur don't come even remotely close to the grandeur that is God in actuality.
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Old 08-17-2009, 09:21 AM   #32
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Salaam (Peace) to all.

1) How do ATHEISTS define the term "atheism"?

1. I don't know about everyone else but...
I am of no set religion, I can not be put in a box or labled as a "......"
You could argue that I am being put in the atheists box by saying that
But unlike religion, we are not guided by the same thing as the next person
We just belive in something others do not, and at the same time...
May not belive in the same thing or same beliefs.


2) How would ATHEISTS describe the "God" that they say or suggest doesn't exist?


Wishing there is hope, all be it out of your control.

3) Do ATHEISTS see themselves as integral, inherent parts of the Universe in which they exist, or as something different from the Universe in which they exist?

Again I can't answer for all
Religion divides people and so does this question
Your saying because atheists are just that, atheists
That they may be somewhat different from the everyone else ?
The same could be said for followers of another faith that is different to your own
Everyone the same, everyone different, the soul lives on, whether I'm religious or not.
Therfor we are all part of the universe in my eyes.
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Old 08-17-2009, 01:54 PM   #33
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if a religion attest its knowledge to the Original Creator then how could they have anything but a single source?.......meaning I don't think the logic fails. I think the scope and the tendency of humans to pigeonhole themselves is what fails. The grandest thoughts and desprictions of God's grandeur don't come even remotely close to the grandeur that is God in actuality.
That's precisely why it fails. Any SINGLE religion attests it's knowledge to their own respective original creator.

You live life betting a God exists in accordance to Christianity as a safeguard to avoid their version of Hell.

Then you will by default be subject to Islam's version of Hell.

This is why Pascal's Gambit fails.
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Old 08-17-2009, 03:50 PM   #34
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why do atheist keep trying to fold religions like christiananity and islam and the bible into this discussion?

you tell me you hate pizza cause pepperoni is nasty.
i tell you this is a cheese pizza.
you tell me you hate pepperoni.
i tell you its cheese pizza
you tell me you don't eat pork
"i don't eat pork either, its gross, thats why i order cheese pizza, there is ZERO pepperoni on this pizza"
"pepperoni makes me sick and thats why i will NEVER eat pizza!"

fo real?


who's clinging to a belief system now?

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Old 08-17-2009, 04:26 PM   #35
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its in the way these religions display the god that they say they believe in that turns some thinking people into atheist

i was listening to a radio station yesterday morning and this woman who conducts a bible study on a college campus said that there are archeological findings in the new testament that proves that jesus existed

yeah i know i know - read the line again and try to make sense out of it


some atheist are just as fanatical in the way they see life - and just spit out cliche popular atheist sayings when questioned about why they don't believe in god -


Timbs broke down the 3 stages of atheism a while back - would be good to have him contribute to this thread
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Old 08-17-2009, 06:28 PM   #36
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why do atheist keep trying to fold religions like christiananity and islam and the bible into this discussion?

you tell me you hate pizza cause pepperoni is nasty.
i tell you this is a cheese pizza.
you tell me you hate pepperoni.
i tell you its cheese pizza
you tell me you don't eat pork
"i don't eat pork either, its gross, thats why i order cheese pizza, there is ZERO pepperoni on this pizza"
"pepperoni makes me sick and thats why i will NEVER eat pizza!"

fo real?


who's clinging to a belief system now?
why is it so hard for theists to understand that athiests don't believe in ANY god or ANY religion. yes, we lump all of you together because we see all religions and all gods equally rediculous.

i don't believe in santa claus. i dont care what culture it's in, i don't believe in him. you can call him kris kringle, santa clause, st. nick, father christmas, Babushka, Heiliger Nikolaus or Mr. I don't give presents to Jews.

just the same as athiests think believing in God, Allah, yahweh, jesus, buddha, zeus, thor, apollo, jupitor, the sun, the great pumpkin and beazelbub all equally stupid. we don't care if your god is a spirit, a human or made out of pepperoni, we don't believe in him. deal with it.
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Old 08-17-2009, 08:19 PM   #37
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you should talk to the other atheists on the forum and tell them to stop believing cause their making real atheist such as yourself look bad.

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St. Nicholas was a REAL PERSON.





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Old 08-17-2009, 08:22 PM   #38
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St. Nicholas was a REAL PERSON.



haha, you got me there. i was in the middle of a rant and not thinking.
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Old 08-17-2009, 08:23 PM   #39
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that's not st. nick. that's obi 1 kanobi

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Old 08-17-2009, 08:40 PM   #40
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the intelligent atheist doesn't say that there is no god - they say they don't know if there is a god or not
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hahahah!
darth obi wan is not amused

but you can see how that line of reasoning can throw the baby out with the bathwater.
just keep an open mind and open eyes.
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the intelligent atheist doesn't say that there is no god - they say they don't know if there is a god or not

wrong, if you were intelligent yourself, you would know that is an agnostic who says they don't know whether there is a god or not. an athiest knows there isn't a god, just like you know there is one.
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Old 08-17-2009, 09:00 PM   #43
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wrong, if you were intelligent yourself, you would know that is an agnostic who says they don't know whether there is a god or not. an athiest knows there isn't a god, just like you know there is one.
i'm going by what timbs said -

the god that the atheist does not believe in is the god that has been given to the people by the enemies of god -
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i thought an agnostic would claim one cannot know.
you may not know something without claiming it is impossible to know -
like bill mahr says he is not an atheist, but I've never heard him describe himself as agnostic either.
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the intelligent atheist doesn't say that there is no god - they say they don't know if there is a god or not
You're 100% correct. Being a nostic atheist is the wrong route.
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