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Old 10-07-2009, 09:29 PM   #16
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Which means, In Islam, it is forbidden to 'practice a religion'
Because in Islam, you are forced to Know that The God exists...
laa ilāha illa Allāh, wa Muḥammad(un) rasūl Allāh
By saying that, You know that there is One God
^ how does saying this "force" you to know that The God exists? This is as much a statement of BELIEF than anything else in any other religion.

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Old 10-07-2009, 09:35 PM   #17
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umm... so the teachings of jesus and the bible dont tell you how to have a relationship with GOD ????

I dont know what bible you been reading ???



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I didn't say the Bible didn't speak on God's relationship with the Prophets, I said The Qu'Ran is FOCUSED MORE ON THE RELATIONSHIPS whereas the Bible is FOCUSED MORE ON THE STORIES OF EACH PROPHET'S LIFE.
MORE. FOCUSED.


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^ how does saying this "force" you to know that The God exists? This is as much a statement of BELIEF than anything else in any other religion.

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I'm saying the only way to live an Islamic Culture is by Knowing The God, there is no room for 'beliefs'. It may be a belief from your perspective but to the one living a way of life where that person submits their will to The God there is no belief only acknowledgment of the Supreme Ruler/Being.
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Old 10-07-2009, 09:38 PM   #18
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i agree with this statement when it comes to anything other than the old testement and the new testement.

p.s visions how do explain away the miracals that jesus did ??? that shows that there was some divine presance involved ????


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no prof, ALL Religion. They're all based on astro-theology and christianity is no different.

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What happens if the suns blew out tomorrow never to shine again?

Miracles? What you don't understand is that every tale of miracle is either allegory or metaphor. You take the stories at face value and so miss out on their deeper meaning. Wanna see the Son walk on water???





















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Old 10-07-2009, 09:45 PM   #19
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I didn't say the Bible didn't speak on God's relationship with the Prophets, I said The Qu'Ran is FOCUSED MORE ON THE RELATIONSHIPS whereas the Bible is FOCUSED MORE ON THE STORIES OF EACH PROPHET'S LIFE.
MORE. FOCUSED.
what are you talking about yes there are stories in the bible of how the prophets lived but the bible is full of guidance on how to have a relationship with GOD and how is that acheived by obeying the laws and rules that GOD set down for us to follow...and the bible is full of that, but seriously the book cant be just one big book of rules GOD put examples in there for us to follow of pious men (especially JESUS) and how they lived for us to emmulate....aswell these stories have another purpose these stories illustrate about how his will (the will of GOD) was being acheived through out the generations.


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no prof, ALL Religion. They're all based on astro-theology and christianity is no different.

Jesus our risen savior

What happens if the suns blew out tomorrow never to shine again?

Miracles? What you don't understand is that every tale of miracle is either allegory or metaphor. You take the stories at face value and so miss out on their deeper meaning. Wanna see the Son walk on water???






















And Peter fell in the water 'cause his Faith was not strong enough, so who was Walking on The Water with The Sun that sunk?
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Old 10-07-2009, 09:56 PM   #21
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. Wanna see the Son walk on water???

If what your saying is what I think your saying it is close to heresy...JESUS being the son doesnt have any to do with the sun in the sky hahahah

yeah sure the shepards who followed the star in the sky to jesus shows that there is an astrological aspect to christianity but that is as far as it goes...jesus isnt some type of sun god or a metaphore for the sun hahahah lolz


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Old 10-07-2009, 09:56 PM   #22
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what are you talking about yes there are stories in the bible of how the prophets lived but the bible is full of guidance on how to have a relationship with GOD and how is that acheived by obeying the laws and rules that GOD set down for us to follow...and the bible is full of that but seriously the book cant be just one big book of rules GOD put examples in there for us to follow of pious men (especially JESUS) and how they lived....aswell these stories have another purpose these stories illustrate about how his will of GOD was being acheived through out the generations.


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Jesus-fucking-christ.

The Bible in relativity to The Qu'Ran talks less about the relationship between The God and The Prophets and emphasizes more on each Prophet's stories.

The Qu'ran in relativity to The Bible talks less about each Prophet's stories and emphasizes more on the relationship between The God and The Prophets.

The Bible in relativity to The Qu'Ran emphasizes more on each Prophet's stories and talks less about the relationship between The God and The Prophet.

The Qu'Ran in relativity to The Bible emphasizes more on the relationship between The God and The Prophets and talks less about each Prophet's stories.

The Bible does talk about The God's relationship with The Prophets.
The Qu'Ran does talk about the Prophets' stories.

The Qu'Ran, however, is MORE FOCUSED ON THE RELATIONSHIP, LIKE 80% OF IT IS FOCUSED ON THE RELATIONSHIP.

The BIBLE, IS 65% TELLING THE STORIES OF THE PROPHET AND 35% OF THEIR DIRECT RELATIONSHIP TO THE GOD.

Do you understand now? Or do you want me to re-arrange the stories some more.
The Qu'Ran in a generalized stereotypical kind of way (I guess) sounds like a manual on how to live your life to subit to The God. That is because of the percentage of the focus is so concentrated on the relationship between The God and The Prophets. ON THE RELATIONSHIP.

That doesn't mean the Bible doesn't speak on it, it DOES, but the Qu'Ran just does it More. The Qu'Ran speaks on the Prophets' lives and biographies too, but it's kept on a minimum and The Bible tells more of the Stories, that's why it's important to read them both (for Muslims) because we (muslims) first have priority on serving The God and submitting our Will to The God's path and to figure out the stories after knowing and practicing how to fully submit.
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Old 10-07-2009, 10:08 PM   #23
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The Qu'Ran in a generalized stereotypical kind of way (I guess) sounds like a manual on how to live your life to subit to The God. .
and the bible isnt ????

I understand what you are saying


but the differance with the bible is that GOD didnt deem it nessecary to only talk about that and that only... I guess GOD thought that the rules have been layed down clear enough so that man will understand how to have a relationship with me...so I will tell the stories about the prophets and how they grew to do his will....make for a much more intresting read.


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Old 10-07-2009, 10:09 PM   #24
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If what your saying is what I think your saying it is close to heresy...JESUS being the son doesnt have any to do with the sun in the sky hahahah

yeah sure the shepards who followed the star in the sky to jesus shows that there is an astrological aspect to christianity but that is as far as it goes...jesus isnt some type of sun god or a metaphore for the sun hahahah lolz


P.S THIS IS THE SON WALKING ON WATER !






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And you're sure of this why? Because you read it in the bible? Because a preacher told you so? Please. The Roman Catholic church is heavily entrenched with symbology of the sun that goes back to ancient days. You've probably seen it for yourself without being aware of what you're looking at. And yet there it remains. Why?

I've already told you that the story of the resurrection was around way before the time of Jesus and I've told you why the resurrection took place on the 3rd day. Do you think its a coincidence? ahahahahahhahahaah, yeah sure it is
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Illuminaughty inflitration idk I wonder if anything I say to him gets through but he is an actual person.
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Old 10-08-2009, 01:28 AM   #27
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Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era, received a professor who came to inquire about Zen.
Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor’s cup full, and then kept on pouring.
The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. “It is overfull. No more will go in!”
“Like this cup,” Nan-in said, “you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?”


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p.s visions how do explain away the miracals that jesus did ??? that shows that there was some divine presance involved ????
did you witness these said miracals ? obviously no so how do you know they actualy happened ? be honest to yourself - to examine a event properly you must research all the evidence:





i hope you dont think the world is actualy 12000 years old too, its also ironic that the followers of jesus are known as sheep, actualy funny aswell - it should be noted that im agnostic not an athiest. i do respect all religions because they contribute to possativity to mankind but it must ALSO be noted that religion is the basis of %95 of massive human conflicts - P.E.A.C.E.


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Which means, In Islam, it is forbidden to 'practice a religion'
Because in Islam, you are forced to Know that The God exists...
laa ilāha illa Allāh, wa Muḥammad(un) rasūl Allāh
By saying that, You know that there is One God,

You should know the facts. We are urged by the words of Quran to reflect on creation in order to understand that there is a Creator. There is no force. As a matter of fact, "there is no compulsion" in the belief of Islam is apart of a verse in the Quran.
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