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New Album Review scores...Dopium, Chamber Music, OB4CL2, Wizard of Poetry added.
Let me first clarify, I was only responsible for compiling the data the forum gave me in ILC polls. I DID NOT choose the order, you did. #41 - Mr. Xcitement Artist - U-God Year - 2005 # of classic tracks = 1 It's a Wrap I'm Talkin' to You Bump Other than the catchy back and forth patter of It's a Wrap, not much is gained from listening to this album with poor production and few guest appearances. Generally considered the worst Wu-Tang album ever made. Track average 1.72 Weighted score 0.00 Total Score = 1.72 0.5 Stars #40 - Tical 0 : The Prequel Artist - Method Man Year - 2004 # of Classic Tracks = 3 What's Happenin' The Turn Afterparty The Motto The Show Perhaps not as bad as everybody thinks, this album is still an overall disappointment for fans of Method Man, who seemed to ignore Wu-Tang production in favor of a more popish direction. It didn't work. Track average 1.75 Weighted score 0.50 Total Score = 2.25 1 Star #39 - The Lex Diamond Story Artist - Raekwon Year - 2004 # of Classic Tracks = 3 Pitbull Fights Musketeers of Pig Alley Once upon a Time All Over Again Clientele Kid Pa-Blow Escablow The absolute low point of Raekwon's career, Lex Diamond features poor production, lazy lyrics, and a generally jagged flowing album unsuitable for multiple replays. Track average 2.36 Weighted score 1.00 Total Score = 3.36 2 Stars #38 - The Wizard of Poetry in Emerald City Artist - Ghostface Killah Year - 2009 # of Classic Tracks = 1 Stapleton Sex Do Over Baby Stay Guest House Lonely Forever An experiment that strays far from the Wu-Tang sentiment, to the intricacies of relationships. It's a grown up album, but that doesn't make it a good album. Ghostface's shortest and poorest effort. Track average 1.99 Weighted score 1.50 Total Score = 3.49 2 Stars #37 - The Resident Patient Artist - Inspectah Deck Year - 2006 # of Classic Tracks = 2 Sound of the Slums A Lil' Story C.R.E.E.P.S. All I Want is Mine A largely overlooked release from Inspectah Deck, The Resident Patient features little guest appearances and little Wu-Tang production. The two stand out tracks are far and away better than the rest of the album. Track average 1.89 Weighted score 2.20 Total Score = 4.09 2.5 Stars #36 - The Big Doe Rehab Artist - Ghostface Killah Year - 2007 # of Classic Tracks = 1 Yolanda's House Barrel Brothers Walk Around Supa GFK Rec Room Therapy Paisley Darts Shakey Dog starring Lolita Killa Lipstick Slow Down Sadly one of the more ignored albums in ghost's collective, Big Doe is not nearly as bad as most Wu-heads on here seem to believe. More a less a collection of good tracks sorely lacking in the Wu-Tang spirit production wise. Track average 2.62 Weighted score 1.50 Total Score = 4.12 2.5 Stars #35 - Immobilarity Artist - Raekwon Year - 1999 # of Classic Tracks = 4 Casablanca Live From New York The Table Sneakers Yae Yo 100 Rounds Real Life Jury Fuck Them Great lyrics cannot make up for the uninspired production on Raekwon's sophomore album that plays as well, sophomoric. The strongest tracks are the only ones that combine both facets of musical composition. Track average 2.40 Weighted score 2.00 Total Score = 4.40 2.5 Stars #34 - More Fish Artist - Ghostface Killah Year - 2006 # of Classic Tracks = 6 Guns N' Razors Street Opera Josephine You Know I'm No Good Alex (Stolen Script) Miguel Sanchez Ghost is Back Blue Armor Grew Up Hard Leftovers from the Fishscale album are thrown together and rushed out just 6 months after Fishscale's release. Still the album could be much worse. Great production and fine vocals make this a worthwhile listen, despite the junk title. Track average 2.59 Weighted score 2.40 Total Score = 4.99 2.5 Stars #33 - Made in Brooklyn Artist - Masta Killa Year - 2006 # of Classic Tracks = 4 It's What It Is Iron God Chamber Street Corner Ringin' Bells ENY House Nehanda and Cream Pass the Bone (remix) East MC's Just two years after his long awaited debut, Masta Killa drops Made in Brooklyn. Nobody could expect him to achieve what he did with his first album, and he doesn't, save the top 4 tracks, all brilliant compositions. Track average 2.60 Weighted score 2.60 Total Score = 5.20 3 Stars #32 - Digi Snacks Artist - RZA Year - 2008 # of Classic Tracks = 3 You Can't Stop Me Now Money Don't Own Me Don't Be Afraid Long Time Coming Try Ya Ya Ya Drama Up Again One of the most divisive albums in the Wu collective in terms of fan appreciation, Digi Snacks features diverse production from the RZA. While it most certainly isn't the greatest flowing album, there is something for everybody on here. Track average 2.09 Weighted score 3.20 Total Score = 5.29 3 Stars #31 - The Movement Artist - Inspectah Deck Year - 2003 # of Classic Tracks = 4 City High Who Got It Shorty Right There Vendetta That Shit The Movement It's Like That The Stereotype That Nigga Easily one of the more overlooked albums in the collective, The Movement is a collection of songs that showcase Inspectah Deck's lyrical talent and his range in subject matter. Vendetta and City High in particular are shining gems in Deck's repertoire. Track average 2.33 Weighted score 3.00 Total Score = 5.33 3 Stars #30 - Nigga Please Artist - Ol' Dirty Bastard Year - 1999 # of Classic Tracks = 2 Got Your Money Nigga Please I Can't Wait Cold Blooded Rollin' With You You Don't Want To Fuck With Me I Want Pussy All In Together Now Gettin High A sad drop in quality from Dirty's first album, Nigga Please features production from the Neptunes and wild lyrics from the late Big Baby Jesus. Obviously sentimentally overrated. Track average 2.82 Weighted score 2.80 Total Score = 5.62 3 Stars #29 - The Pretty Toney Album Artist - Ghostface Killah Year - 2004 # of Classic Tracks = 4 Biscuits Holla Be This Way Run Beat the Clock It's Over Dropping the "Killah" from his name, Ghostface attempts to bring his R+B fans closer with this soulful record that may be a disappointment to the more hardcore Wu-Tang fans. Those with a heart will genuinely love it. Track average 2.38 Weighted score 3.40 Total Score = 5.78 3 Stars #28 - 4:21...The Day After Artist - Method Man Year - 2006 # of Classic Tracks = 6 Intro 4:20 The Glide Say Konichiwa Bitches Presidential MC Is It Me Somebody Done Fucked Up Dirty Mef Everything A solid offering after the very poor prequel album, 4:21 the Day After is anchored by RZA beat contributions. Presidential MC in particular is classic Wu-Tang, and one of the best Wu-Tang songs of the new century. Track average 2.69 Weighted score 3.10 Total Score = 5.79 3 Stars #27 - Bulletproof Wallets Artist - Ghostface Killah Year - 2001 # of Classic Tracks = 5 Maxine Strawberry The Forest Walking Through the Darkness The Hilton Street Chemistry Virtually destroyed what could have been a classic album due to sample clearance issues, Wallets none the less is a decent offering by Ghost with lush production and visceral lyrics. Track average 2.67 Weighted score 3.30 Total Score = 5.97 3 Stars #26 - Dopium Artist - U-God Year - 2009 # of Classic Tracks = 5 Train Trussle God is Love Stomp Da Roach Dopium New Classic Wu-Tang A very fine effort by U-God after his disastrous Mr. Xcitement album, the only drawback is a huge one. Three remixes on the end of the album destroy the track average and bring down what could have been a top 20 album. Track average 2.18 Weighted score 3.80 Total Score = 5.98 3 Stars #25 - Digital Bullet Artist - RZA Year - 2001 # of Classic Tracks = 6 Show You Love Glocko Pop Must Be Bobby Brooklyn Babies Do U Sickness Can't Loose Fools Black Widow part 2 Be a Man Build Strong The follow up to RZA's debut, Digital Bullet features strange experimental production by RZA. In some places (Brooklyn Babies, Sickness) it works, in others it doesn't. Track average 2.88 Weighted score 3.50 Total Score = 6.38 3.5 Stars #24 - Golden Arms Redemption Artist - U-God Year - 1999 # of Classic Tracks = 6 Turbulence Dat's Gangsta Bizarre Rumble Pleasure or Pain Night the City Cried Soul Dazzle Shell Shock Lay Down Turbo Charge The definition of an album that grows on you, GAR is U-God's uneven debut. Sorely missing guest appearances from his Wu-breathren, U-God admirably goes at it, mostly by himself. Track average 3.00 Weighted score 3.60 Total Score = 6.60 3.5 Stars #23 - Chamber Music Artist - Wu-Tang Clan Year - 2009 # of Classic Tracks = 5 Radiant Jewels Evil Deeds Ill Figures Sound the Horns NYC Crack Kill Too Hard Although not technically a Wu-Tang album, and not technically a complete album, Chamber Music is a fine album with 8 new tracks that are all good, and features live instrumentation. Track average 3.00 Weighted score 3.70 Total Score = 6.70 3.5 Stars #22 - Birth of a Prince Artist - RZA Year - 2003 # of Classic Tracks = 5 Chi Kung Koto Chotan A Day to God is 1000 Years The Birth See the Joy Bob N' I The Grunge Grits Fast Cars You'll Never Know Rza's temporary transition from his Bobby Digital persona to Prince Rakeem is an interesting album full of 5% knowledge. Although largely overlooked, this is clearly an album that grows on you. Track average 2.94 Weighted score 4.00 Total Score = 6.94 3.5 Stars #21 - Legend of a Liquid Sword Artist - GZA Year - 2002 # of Classic Tracks = 6 Auto Bio Silent Knock Knock Animal Planet Fam (Members Only) Sparring Minds Did Ya Say That? Fame Highway Robbery Luminal Uncut Material If this indeed is GZA's worst album, that says a lot about how great his personal collection is. Brilliant lyrics and fine production highlight this effort from the Clan's oldest general. Track average 3.02 Weighted score 4.15 Total Score = 7.17 4 Stars #20 - Uncontrolled Substance Artist - Inspectah Deck Year - 1999 # of Classic Tracks = 7 9th Chamber The Grand Prix Word on the Street Lovin' You Rec Room Friction Hyperdermix Movas & Shakers Uncontrolled Substance Show N Prove It's sad to think about how great this album could have been, had not a flood destroyed the original version of this album. Still, it's well put together and although it lacks RZA production on many of the songs, Deck makes up for it with his dexterous tongue. Track average 3.08 Weighted score 4.10 Total Score = 7.18 4 Stars #19 - Fishscale Artist - Ghostface Killah Year - 2006 # of Classic Tracks = 8 Shakey Dog Kilo The Champ 9 Milli. Bros. R.A.G.U. Whip You With a Strap Be Easy Underwater Crack Spot Clipse Of Doom Big Girl Three Bricks Although reviews amongst fans are mostly divided, the critics all seemed to agree that this was one of the Wu-Tang's best albums in the post Forever era. Quite simply it is loaded. Track average 2.92 Weighted score 4.30 Total Score = 7.22 4 Stars #18 - Iron Flag Artist - Wu-Tang Clan Year - 2001 # of Classic Tracks = 8 In the Hood Rules Uzi (Pinky Ring) Y'all Been Warned Babies Radioactive Iron Flag/The Glock The W Dashing (Reasons) Arguably the worst of the full length Wu-Tang albums, Iron Flag is still a very good album full of bangers and full of post 9-11 rhetoric. Coming just a year after the W, the album still manages to be a very complete, well put together creation and it features the best Wu-Tang track of the new century, the title track Iron Flag. Track average 3.34 Weighted score 3.90 Total Score = 7.24 4 Stars #17 - Only Built for Cuban Linx...part II Artist - Raekwon Year - 2009 # of Classic Tracks = 9 House of Flying Daggers Cold Outside Black Mozart Gihad New Wu Ason Jones 10 Bricks Kiss the Ring Walk Wit Me Sonny's Missing Pyrex Vision Surgical Gloves Broken Safety Have Mercy Catalina Mean Streets Raekwon's follow up to his classic debut, OB4CL2 is a mind bending thrill ride which evokes emotions of the mid-nineties. Clearly one of the best post Forever offerings. Track average 2.86 Weighted score 4.55 Total Score = 7.41 4 Stars #16 - Pro Tools Artist - GZA Year - 2008 # of Classic Tracks = 6 Pencil Alphabets Groundbreaking 7 Pounds 0% Finance Path of Destruction Paper Plate Colombian Ties Firehouse Cinema Life is a Movie GZA's latest outing was highly appreciated by critics and most fans. It features lush production and once again excellent lyrics by the ingenious word smith. Pencil and Alphabets are among the best tracks of the new century. Track average 3.46 Weighted score 4.05 Total Score = 7.51 4 Stars #15 - 8 Diagrams Artist - Wu-Tang Clan Year - 2007 # of Classic Tracks = 10 Campfire Take it Back Rushing Elephants The Heart Gently Weeps Wolves Gun Will Go Stick Me For My Riches Windmill Weak Spot Life Changes Sunlight 16th Chamber It's silly that infighting spoiled the shine of this clearly loaded album. RZA's new sound does absolutely nothing to detract from the clan, in fact it bolsters the lyrics and makes the music sound more rich. Track average 3.43 Weighted score 4.20 Total Score = 7.63 4 Stars #14 - Tical 2000 : Judgment Day Artist - Method Man Year - 1998 # of Classic Tracks = 9 Dangerous Grounds Sweet Love Shaolin What Torture Suspect Chin Music Spazzola Grid Iron Rap Killin' Fields Judgment Day Perfect World Cradle Rock Play IV Keeps Break Ups 2 Make Ups Snuffed Out Although bogged down by as many skits as Chamber Music, here is another record that is filled with bangers. Method Man's follow up to Tical may actually be better, but it's poorly constructed. Track average 3.29 Weighted score 4.35 Total Score = 7.64 4 Stars #13 - The W Artist - Wu-Tang Clan Year - 2000 # of Classic Tracks = 8 Shaolin Finger Jab/Chamber Music Careful (Click Click) Hollow Bones One Blood Under W Protect Ya Neck (The Jump Off) I Can't Go To Sleep Do You Really (Thang, Thang) Gravel Pit Redbull Let My Niggas Live The Monument Jah World The third group release from Wu, The W is a well put together, smoothly flowing album with few mistakes, unlike it's follow up Iron Flag. Amazing stand out tracks abound here. Track average 3.35 Weighted score 4.45 Total Score = 7.80 4 Stars #12 - RZA as Bobby Digital in Stereo Artist - RZA Year - 1998 # of Classic Tracks = 9 B.O.B.B.Y. Unspoken Word NYC Everything Mantis Holocaust (Silkworm) Kiss of a Black Widow My Lovin' is Digi Domestic Violence Terrorist Airwaves Love Jones Bobby Did It (Spanish Fly) Lab Drunk Fuck What You Think RZA becomes even more experimental production wise, taking a bold step into the unknown on this album. Most of it works, some doesn't. Still a near classic. Track average 3.45 Weighted score 4.50 Total Score = 7.95 4 Stars #11 - Grandmasters Artist - GZA Year - 2005 # of Classic Tracks = 7 Destruction Of A Guard Exploitation Of Mistakes General Principles Advance Pawns Queen's Gambit All In Together Now Unstoppable Threats Those That's Bout It Unprotected Pieces Illusory Protection Smothered Mate The best thing about this album isn't what it has, it's what it doesn't have. This album doesn't have a bad track on it. With uniform flowing production by Muggs and GZA's apt word play once again, this album is a very easy listen. While it may seem high at #11, the track average is one of the highest in the post Forever era (10th overall), despite the lack of classic tracks. Track average 3.91 Weighted score 4.25 Total Score = 8.16 4.5 Stars #10 - Return to the 36 Chambers : The Dirty Version Artist - Ol' Dirty Bastard Year - 1995 # of Classic Tracks = 10 Shimmy Shimmy Ya Baby C'mon Brooklyn Zoo Hippa To the Hoppa Rawhide Damage Snakes Brooklyn Zoo II Protect ya Neck II (In The Zoo) Cuttin' Headz Don't You Know The Stomp Goin Down Dirty Dancing Dirty's debut is one of the most eclectic hip hop albums of all time. It features wild production by RZA and even crazier lyrics by the Dirt Dog. A great experience. Track average 3.66 Weighted score 4.70 Total Score = 8.36 4.5 Stars #9 - Beneath the Surface Artist - GZA Year - 1999 # of Classic Tracks = 9 Amplified Sample Beneath The Surface Crash Your Crew Breaker Breaker High Price Small Reward Hip Hop Fury 1112 Publicity Mic Trippin' Victim Feel Like an Enemy GZA continues his formula of making short but loaded albums with Beneath the Surface. Although RZA takes a back seat on this one, producing just one track, Arabian Knight and Mathematics fill in for the bulk of the album admirably. This is a more modern Wu-Tang sound. Track average 4.07 Weighted score 4.40 Total Score = 8.47 4.5 Stars #8 - No Said Date Artist - Masta Killa Year - 2004 # of Classic Tracks = 9 No Said Date D.T.D. Whatever Secret Rivals Old Man Queen School Silverbacks Masta Killa Last Drink Digi Warfare After a 10 year wait for the last Wu-Tang member to drop his solo album, Masta Killa didn't disappoint. Dark, classic Wu-Tang production highlights this near perfect effort. A modern Wu-Tang classic. Track average 3.88 Weighted score 4.60 Total Score = 8.48 4.5 Stars #7 - Tical Artist - Method Man Year - 1994 # of Classic Tracks = 8 Tical Biscuits Bring the Pain All I Need What the Blood Clot Meth Vs. Chef Relese Yo Delf Mr. Sandman Sub Crazy P.L.O. Style I Get my Thang in Action Stimulation The first and perhaps least of the first round of solos, Tical is highlighted by RZA's crazy production and Mef's best on the mic. This is absolutely an album that takes getting used to, but patient listeners will be rewarded by the intricate, spastic sounds it provides. Track average 4.05 Weighted score 4.65 Total Score = 8.70 4.5 Stars #6 - Supreme Clientele Artist - Ghostface Killah Year - 2000 # of Classic Tracks = 10 Nutmeg One Ghost Deini Apollo Kids Buck 50 Mighty Healthy We Made It Malcolm Child's Play Wu Banga 101 Saturday Nite The Grain Stay True Stroke Of Death Cherchez La Ghost The best post Forever album, and it's not really that close. Supreme Clientele is proof that the sophmore curse isn't absolute. It's arguable that this is Ghost's magnum opus, an album full of intense drug stories and sick beats, as well as a multitude of reminiscent feelings and emotional outbursts. A very personal album. Track average 3.93 Weighted score 4.80 Total Score = 8.73 4.5 Stars #5 - Ironman Artist - Ghostface Killah Year - 1996 # of Classic Tracks = 11 Iron Maiden Wildflower 260 Assassination Day Winter Warz Box in Hand Fish Daytona 500 Black Jesus After the Smoke is Clear All That I Got Is You The Faster Blade Poisonous Darts Camay Motherless Child The Soul Controller Marvel I find it amazing that Motherless Child, Camay, and Poisonous Dartz didn't make the cut, and yet this album still has 11 classic tracks. Ghost is backed by RZA's most soulful production to date, and he shines with help from Raekwon and Cappadonna. Track average 3.99 Weighted score 4.75 Total Score = 8.74 4.5 Stars #4 - Wu-Tang Forever Artist - Wu-Tang Clan Year - 1997 # of Classic Tracks = 18 Reunited For Heaven's Sake Cash Still Rules/Scary Hours Visionz As High as Wu-Tang Get Severe Punishment Older Gods A Better Tomorrow It's Yourz Triumph Impossible Deadly Melody Bells of War The M.G.M Dog Shit Duck Seazon Hellz Wind Staff Heaterz Maria Little Ghetto Boys The City The Projects Sunshower The double disc masterpiece, Wu-Tang Forever is the second most popular album but drops to forth due to track average. (6th Overall) No album can touch it's number of bangers, and no album can touch it's diverse production by RZA. Track average 4.04 Weighted score 4.95 Total Score = 8.99 4.5 Stars #3 - Only Built for Cuban Linx... Artist - Raekwon Year - 1995 # of Classic Tracks = 15 Knuckleheadz Knowledge God Criminology Incarcerated Scarfaces Rainy Dayz Guillotine (swordz) Can it Be All So Simple (remix) Ice Water Glaciers of Ice Verbal Intercourse Wisdom Body Ice Cream Wu-Gambinos Heaven & Hell Northstar Spot Rushers The original rap mafioso album, OB4CL has been copied but never duplicated. Amazingly every track except Spot Rusherz was nominated a classic. Track average 4.54 Weighted score 4.85 Total Score = 9.39 5 Stars #2 - Liquid Swords Artist - GZA Year - 1995 # of Classic Tracks = 13 Liquid Swords Duel of the Iron Mic Living in the World Today Gold Cold World Labels 4th Chamber Shadowboxin' Killah Hillz 10304 Investigative Reports Swordsman/Unexplained I Gotcha Back BIBLE One of the darkest and greatest albums in the history of hip hop, Liquid Swords is a perfect album. Every track was nominated a classic and deservedly so. Track average 4.66 Weighted score 4.90 Total Score = 9.56 5 Stars #1 - Wu-Tang : Enter the 36 Chambers Artist - Wu-Tang Clan Year - 1993 # of Classic Tracks = 11 Bring Da Ruckus Shame on a Nigga Clan in da Front Wu Tang: 7th Chamber Can it be All So Simple Da Mystery of Chessboxin' Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nuttin' to Fuck wit' C.R.E.A.M. Method Man Protect Ya Neck Tearz Wu Tang: 7th Chamber pt. 2 The one that started it all. Track average 4.68 Weighted score 5.00 Total Score = 9.68 5 Stars
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Superb - nice work. Enjoyed reading that
Edit - actually - thinking about it - I guess this explains why I, and obviously many others, became so obsessed by the Wu - and this list doesn't include monsters releases like Heavy Mental, Last Shall be First, Killarmy, Swarm etc. Will there ever be another movement like the Wu? Last edited by New Hills 36; 12-05-2009 at 02:20 PM. |
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nice work
someone rep this muthafucka
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I had to go back and fix something. Pro Tools seemed oddly high to me, and sure enough I made a mistake on the averages. Fixed now, from #12 to #16.
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Great work as usual B, you didn't waste your time, this sounds really coherent and matches what I've hear here and there on the Corp.
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I dunno.
This list is just the generals, it would be really hard to calculate just where those albums would fall because killa bee polls don't get that much participation.[/QUOTE] BR - no criticism intended - was just highlighting that there are so many great realeases on that list - and it doesn't include (what are to me anyway) some of the great Wu releases. |
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No yea, I hear ya, I just forgot to mention generals only in the beginning.
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Flip that - I loved Wizard of Poetry.
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I'm sure many people did, but the voting certainly didn't reflect that, it averaged less than 2 out of 5 in the track averages. Maybe it needs more time, remember it's only a month old and there are like 5 women on this site.
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Close calls added in orange below the classics
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#21 - Auto Bio listed as a classic and a close-call.
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ty repped
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Nice. Thanks.
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dope work B rock
i was suprised to see a few tracks not make classic status |
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Nice.
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