0
 

home
news
wu-tang clan
bio's
media
store
blogs
forum
contact

Go Back   Wu-Tang Corp. - Official Site of the Wu-Tang Clan > The Elements > Know The Ledge

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-22-2010, 01:44 PM   #46
DRUNKENDRAGON
Veteran Member
 
DRUNKENDRAGON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Buffalo, N.Y.
Posts: 803
Rep Power: 13
DRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkey
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WUnded Fox View Post
if you are atheist, what do you think does not exist? because you have to have an idea that you can refute or lack evidence of .

This implies atheism makes a positive claim about our reality, which it does not. Any atheist worth his salt will not say "there is no god" but "there is no shred of evidence that there exists what you (theists) claim to be god in any sense of the word". Thus, the burden of proof lies squarely on the theist making the claims.
__________________
DRUNKENDRAGON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 01:50 PM   #47
DRUNKENDRAGON
Veteran Member
 
DRUNKENDRAGON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Buffalo, N.Y.
Posts: 803
Rep Power: 13
DRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkey
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SHALLAH JUSTICE View Post
A building for example has a network of cables all feeding electricity to and from different parts of the building, they have computer networks that send data back and forth, they are structuarly engineered to fight and withstand the elements, they are a creation

The same as us, we have cables (nerves) that carry electrical signals, we have neurons that carry data,we have an immune system to combat illness, we are engineered just like the empire state was.

The golden gate bridge did not appear out of nowhere, it was painstakingly engineered and designed, just like we are thats my "arguement" nothing more nothing less.

The heart of this exchange y'all are having is the idea of a first cause. Everything exists because something caused it. It goes all the way back to the big bang, which so far, has no cause to my knowledge. This fact leads creationists to say god did it, which in turns begs the question: what caused god? leading into an illogical and highly improbable infinite regression.
__________________
DRUNKENDRAGON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 01:53 PM   #48
ODB4EVER
Junior Member
 
ODB4EVER's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: NS, Canada
Posts: 9
Rep Power: 0
ODB4EVER grasshopper
Default what does god mean to me?

Quote:
Originally Posted by WUnded Fox View Post
what does God mean to you?
how would you explain what God is?.
Well to me a god or god himself is a superior being. A being that is greater then all beings in the world. Most gods have the same beliefs. Beliefs of peace, equality, justice and to do onto others as you want done to you...
So basically thats what i think a god or god is.
ODB4EVER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 01:56 PM   #49
Uncle Steezo
Gen Chat Bully
 
Uncle Steezo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: 5th Dimension
Posts: 14,733
Rep Power: 117
Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DRUNKENDRAGON View Post
This implies atheism makes a positive claim about our reality, which it does not. Any atheist worth his salt will not say "there is no god" but "there is no shred of evidence that there exists what you (theists) claim to be god in any sense of the word". Thus, the burden of proof lies squarely on the theist making the claims.

this is a cowardly stance to take. any PERSON worth his salt, can and will be able to explain and defend what he believes to be true.

i don't know who decided that this burden of proof argument was valid but i'd be willing to bet that they had a penis but peed sitting down.



anyway...

if you want a shred of evidence that God exists, look in the mirror.
then slap whoever told you he wasn't real.
Uncle Steezo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 02:00 PM   #50
DRUNKENDRAGON
Veteran Member
 
DRUNKENDRAGON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Buffalo, N.Y.
Posts: 803
Rep Power: 13
DRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkey
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WUnded Fox View Post
this is a cowardly stance to take. any PERSON worth his salt, can and will be able to explain and defend what he believes to be true.

i don't know who decided that this burden of proof argument was valid but i'd be willing to bet that they had a penis but peed sitting down.



anyway...

if you want a shred of evidence that God exists, look in the mirror.
then slap whoever told you he wasn't real.
I'll disregard your insinuations and have you take a look through this thread, as you can see when one starts talking about god you must start making shit up off the top of your head. I'll say it again, there isn't any single piece of evidence, nor has there ever been, that anything stated in here exists.
__________________
DRUNKENDRAGON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 03:18 PM   #51
Regulas
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 88
Rep Power: 0
Regulas crouching tiger
Default

how about: isotropic vector matrix/void/vacuum/atem
Regulas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 03:25 PM   #52
Uncle Steezo
Gen Chat Bully
 
Uncle Steezo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: 5th Dimension
Posts: 14,733
Rep Power: 117
Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DRUNKENDRAGON View Post
there isn't any single piece of evidence, nor has there ever been, that anything stated in here exists.
but yet you have FAITH that everything that is in the known universe existed in a space smaller than an atom? (big bang)


smh
Uncle Steezo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 03:33 PM   #53
Uncle Steezo
Gen Chat Bully
 
Uncle Steezo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: 5th Dimension
Posts: 14,733
Rep Power: 117
Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)
Default

really, in 2010 athesism is just as silly and outdated as a bearded man sitting on a cloud.

we already know that modern science cannot detect 95% of what we call reality.

why the hell would anyone base his perception of what reality on what science can prove is if they can only "prove" 5% of it?




science is on that multidimensional, entangled, unseen forces, quantum flip, new age shit. some cats are still stuck in the 19th century lookin for god with a telescope.
Uncle Steezo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 04:04 PM   #54
DRUNKENDRAGON
Veteran Member
 
DRUNKENDRAGON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Buffalo, N.Y.
Posts: 803
Rep Power: 13
DRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkey
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WUnded Fox View Post
but yet you have FAITH that everything that is in the known universe existed in a space smaller than an atom? (big bang)


smh
It has nothing to do with faith at all. All of the EVIDENCE points to this, yes.


Quote:
we already know that modern science cannot detect 95% of what we call reality.

why the hell would anyone base his perception of what reality on what science can prove is if they can only "prove" 5% of it?
That's 5% more than religion can "prove".



Quote:
science is on that multidimensional, entangled, unseen forces, quantum flip, new age shit. some cats are still stuck in the 19th century lookin for god with a telescope.
Science doesn't seek to find a god, just an understanding of our reality through observation and measurement, if debunking religious dogma is a by-product of such, too bad.
__________________
DRUNKENDRAGON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 04:13 PM   #55
DRUNKENDRAGON
Veteran Member
 
DRUNKENDRAGON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Buffalo, N.Y.
Posts: 803
Rep Power: 13
DRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkeyDRUNKENDRAGON iron monkey
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WUnded Fox View Post
really, in 2010 athesism is just as silly and outdated as a bearded man sitting on a cloud.
Yet remains the fastest growing minority group in the U.S.
__________________
DRUNKENDRAGON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 04:44 PM   #56
Frank Sobotka
Veteran Member
 
Frank Sobotka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,825
Rep Power: 15
Frank Sobotka five deadly venomsFrank Sobotka five deadly venomsFrank Sobotka five deadly venomsFrank Sobotka five deadly venomsFrank Sobotka five deadly venomsFrank Sobotka five deadly venomsFrank Sobotka five deadly venomsFrank Sobotka five deadly venomsFrank Sobotka five deadly venomsFrank Sobotka five deadly venoms
Default

People often say god is allpowerfull but that's impossible since he gave us free will right...
__________________
Frank Sobotka is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 04:47 PM   #57
Uncle Steezo
Gen Chat Bully
 
Uncle Steezo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: 5th Dimension
Posts: 14,733
Rep Power: 117
Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DRUNKENDRAGON View Post
Yet remains the fastest growing minority group in the U.S.
no.
latinos are.



you do have faith in the singularity. cause there is not a single shred of proof. NONE. ZERO.

science does try and is trying to find God. and in fact a large percentage of scientist believe in God.

i'm beginning to think that you don't even follow current science and are basing your perspective on old paradigms. show me why i'm mistaken.
Uncle Steezo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 04:51 PM   #58
Rollo
An act of God
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 657
Rep Power: 0
Rollo drunken mastaRollo drunken mastaRollo drunken masta
Default

Atheism is not obsolete, neither is religion.
The one thing that needs to fucking die is new age spiritualism and a faceless God who has no definite features.
It's vomit inducing to listen to people who sound like weeded out hippies talking about purpose and love and togetherness based on the warm fuzzy feeling they get when they do so.

Then again, I'm an asshole, so that has to be taken into consideration also.
__________________
Rollo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 04:51 PM   #59
Uncle Steezo
Gen Chat Bully
 
Uncle Steezo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: 5th Dimension
Posts: 14,733
Rep Power: 117
Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ikke View Post
People often say god is allpowerfull but that's impossible since he gave us free will right...
i don't see how those two things are in opposition.
Uncle Steezo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 04:55 PM   #60
Uncle Steezo
Gen Chat Bully
 
Uncle Steezo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: 5th Dimension
Posts: 14,733
Rep Power: 117
Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)Uncle Steezo Iron Lungs (Fists of Legend)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
Atheism is not obsolete, neither is religion.
The one thing that needs to fucking die is new age spiritualism and a faceless God who has no definite features.
It's vomit inducing to listen to people who sound like weeded out hippies talking about purpose and love and togetherness based on the warm fuzzy feeling they get when they do so.

Then again, I'm an asshole, so that has to be taken into consideration also.

what you call new age is older than both religion and atheism.

asshole.
Uncle Steezo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:55 PM.


Copyright 2000 - 2013 The Wu-Tang Corp. & shift-one