who are the real Muslims?

[Urban_Journalz]

Originally Posted by FMJ

Are the real Muslims those people 'protesting' by vandalizing things and issuing death threats over the youtube movie denigrating Muhammad?

Why do some "Muslims" call themselves Shia, Sunni, Wahabbi, Salafi, etc. when the Prophets and Messengers are not recorded as calling themselves those things. The translation of Quran reads, "do not divide into sects", so are those "Muslims" following the Quran?

Where in the Quran must women wear curtain-like outfits and men grow beards longer than a closed fist?

Where is in the Quran the practice of male circumcision and female genital mutilation?

Look at any "Muslim Country" online and you can see that most of those countries lack basic human rights more than many non-Muslim countries.

There are sects in Islam for the same reason that there are sects in every other religion. Not everyone is going to follow the message. Do you KNOW how to think critically?

The way of dress is indicative of the culture not just the religion.

To look at "Any" Muslim Country is saying that they all have qualities that "lack human rights more than any non-Muslim contries." So, how do you say, "most of those countries" when you've clearly labelling all of them with the same tag.

Here's where YOU stand, you're biased, you can't seem to think or type straight and you don't know an iota about what you're talking about. You're sounding like a closet Zionist to be perfectly honest.

[Urban_Journalz]

Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

you're a fucking snob who doesn't know how to build - that's fact - write some nose in the air snobby come back words and everything you write in here is gonna start going to the dick burger section of the forum - GTFOH

[Urban_Journalz]

Originally Posted by SUNNY WINTERS

you're a fucking snob who doesn't know how to build - that's fact - write some nose in the air snobby come back words and everything you write in here is gonna start going to the dick burger section of the forum - GTFOH

But seriously....I'd like to see where in the Forum guidelines there says you have to maintain a certain attitude when posting in a thread. I wasn't even talking to you directly and unless you felt some kind of guilt within your own conscience about what I said and subconsciously felt that I was talking about you, I don't see what all the fuss is about!

And you're cursing Sunny! You're CURSING! You never curse! Are you angry? If so, why? There's no need to call names and if there is, surely you can be more creative about it!

The bottom line is, I've seen posts that are WAAAAAAAY more, shall we say, "hurtful"?, than the one that you felt the need to lash out about.

So you can understand if I question your motives. Sarcasm, competition, and trash-talking are common in the whole of the thread. I just choose to do it my way and now there seems to be a problem?

If you choose to police the way I respond and say that it lacks humility and respect, then you should most likely enforce this rule to the whole of KTL posters so it doesn't look like so much of a witch-hunt.

[Urban_Journalz]

Originally Posted by Nomad-1

I would say the extremists we see today, are the real muslims. So little criticism, toward the Hadiths, is ever acknowledged... Yet, islamic scholars will often tell you, you need them to understand the life of Muhammad and what he really felt.
To understand the culture surrounding the men of the arab campaigns, is to look into a militant, racist, oppurtunistic band of highway men.
In contrast, the so called "silent majority", aren't really muslims at all.

That said, taking pot shots at 1.5 billion people, really won't get the conversation anywhere. Rather than "who are the real muslims", why not ask, how do you think a real muslim should be? If want to get technical about it, the term "muslim" before Muhammad's time, was used to refer to those who submitted to/acknowledged one God.
Under this rational, Jews Christians Zoroastrians etc. are muslims. It is obvious, that Muhammad during the Meccan period, wanted very badly to connect the arabians to the traditions of the great monotheist religions. I don't feel historically, that's actually possible. However, if they want to build a new tradition or doctrine, minus the hate and war mongering, I certainly think that would help.
This non-sense about the infallability of Allah's apostle, has to go. Muhammad made claims that are ignorant and some about other people's that are arbitrarily malicious.
There's no getting around that in this day and age. Information is too easy to gather.

Originally Posted by Nomad-1

I said "muslim", if you want to get technical about it, used to be used to refer to those who submitted to the will of one God. The phrase "used to" suggests in the past. At present, nobody would call Pat Robertson a muslim. Words change as the cultures that use them change. Your understanding of language is poor.



I spoke nothing of a historic meaning to the term muslim. Though arab christians were using the word centuries before hand, so to the Hanif used it. I cannot be certain there aren't earlier mentions of it than that. I mentioned there being a lack of historical continuity, between Muhammadan islam and Judeo-christianity. That is the only mention of anything "historic" in my post.
As they were never connected.


How about the Qu'ran itself?
In the Qu'ran Issa(jesus) is said to have recieved the gospels. Outside of the Qu'ran, there is nothing supporting this anywhere. Further, after having the gospels revealed to him, Jesus tells of a prophet to come after him, namely, the prophet Muhammad. Unfortunately, there is no mention of this, anywhere outside of the Qu'ran. That is because it never happened. Likewise, Abraham and Ishmael outside of the Qu'ran are never mentioned visiting arabia or building the Kaaba.
This is again, because the Kaaba itself, was build by arab pagans. To house idols and for Muhammad's own tribe, to bow and prostrate, as muslims do now, to their supreme god, "Allah". This of course, was a reworking of the Mesopotamian god Enlil.
Both had 3 daughters... Something to keep in consideration, with regard to the "satanic verses".
Muhammad's ignorance is further revealed when messing up other continuities, if the Qu'ran were to be correct, we would expect to see Aaron in the new testament, not with Moses.
The seven heavens, which come from later jewish mysticism etc...



With regard to nature, neither the bible nor abiogenesis, through nucleic synthesis say that life was formed from water. Only that it was developed in water.
"Is not He (better than your gods) Who has made the earth as A FIXED ABODE"
The earth is not fixed. There are no seven firmaments and most importantly the sun does not ask for permission to rise. If you want to get into some really bat shit crazy things, let's talk about the Hadiths, the nun, the 72 years it takes to get from one heaven to another, the stone satans, the whole of what exists, being on the wing of an angel...

"Sunan Abu Dawud 3991—Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water"

"And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people"

The commentary, seems to confirm the typical understanding of the Qu'ranic verse, saying that the sun, sets in a puddle of water. Also, Alexander's(Dhul-Qarnain's) empire stretched east not west. Since when does the sun set in the east? ...
More over, if it was the case, that the earth was fixed. That would mean the sun revolves around it.
I'm sorry, but that's laughable.





You mean aside from the christians and jews and their descendents being pigs and apes?
Come now, surely you're not that oblivious...






People join the global elite all the time. Perhaps if you didn't waste your time defending beduin phophets, you too... lol How adorable... Any muslim who acts out is a CIA puppet? Then how do you explain the behavior of Muhammad himself?
He enslaved, plundered, beheaded, lusted after prepubsescent girls and declared that pictures and dogs kept angels out of houses.
Let me turn the dagger 180 and ask, how do you know the man wasn't simply making a good deal of things up?

More over, muslims who misbehave and aren't part of those groups, muslims who leech off europe's welfare programs, have the lowest levels of employment and make up the highest portion of criminals in jails, are they just part of this conspiracy also?
Or are you just making excuses for a completely backward ideology?
The north atlantic slave trade smuggled 11 million africans from their homes.
The Islamic slave trade smuggled 28 million and still continues today.
The islamic conquest extended across multiple continents. I suggest you re-read your history.
Your argument here, simply amounts to "Islam is good, anyone representing it as different, just doesn't know better" circular reasoning. It's garbage.






Actually the trained them in the 80s, rich Saudis armed them with more modern weapons.
We didn't train them as the groups they are now, it's a leap to say we created these groups. It's more realistic to say, we armed and trained the afghani's and some of them just happened to be uber theocratic, fascist pieces of garbage.
They've been that way for centuries. If they weren't, there would have never been crusades. These people, behave like animals.
I have no respect what so ever, for Muhammadan islam. That's not out of fear, rather common sense.
The war on terror is a picnic, when compared to what has been done by the cult of Muhammad.

If he has redeeming qualities for you, great. Just don't take his word as infallable or as a justification to behave a certain way. That's all I ask.

My apologies for my misunderstanding. You're one of the people who needs "historic" evidence. A left-brain oriented person. Gotcha.

[LORD NOSE]

Originally Posted by Urban_Journalz

But seriously....I'd like to see where in the Forum guidelines there says you have to maintain a certain attitude when posting in a thread. I wasn't even talking to you directly and unless you felt some kind of guilt within your own conscience about what I said and subconsciously felt that I was talking about you, I don't see what all the fuss is about!

And you're cursing Sunny! You're CURSING! You never curse! Are you angry? If so, why? There's no need to call names and if there is, surely you can be more creative about it!

The bottom line is, I've seen posts that are WAAAAAAAY more, shall we say, "hurtful"?, than the one that you felt the need to lash out about.

So you can understand if I question your motives. Sarcasm, competition, and trash-talking are common in the whole of the thread. I just choose to do it my way and now there seems to be a problem?

If you choose to police the way I respond and say that it lacks humility and respect, then you should most likely enforce this rule to the whole of KTL posters so it doesn't look like so much of a witch-hunt.

i'm not reading all of that shit - you're a snob - point blank an annoying arrogant delusional snob - your words are mostly filler - mostly filled with insults to others and praise to yourself - your words derails the builds - if you are too smart and too good to build with us here, then leave -


i'll enforce the rules around here the way i see fit - get a grip on your stank ass attitude or get your post shipped to the dick bacteria section of the forum -- you have 2 days to get your shit straight - and if you have a problem with how i handle things around here, write out your complaint in the admins section, not here -

[diggy]

Originally Posted by Urban_Journalz

There are sects in Islam for the same reason that there are sects in every other religion. Not everyone is going to follow the message. Do you KNOW how to think critically?

I wrote a rhetorical question that I knew the answer to for the sake of provoking thought. To bad you did not get it.

Originally Posted by Urban_Journalz

To look at "Any" Muslim Country is saying that they all have qualities that "lack human rights more than any non-Muslim contries." So, how do you say, "most of those countries" when you've clearly labelling all of them with the same tag.

Funny how you see what you wanna see.

Originally Posted by Urban_Journalz

Here's where YOU stand, you're biased, you can't seem to think or type straight and you don't know an iota about what you're talking about. You're sounding like a closet Zionist to be perfectly honest.

I'm biased in what way? Explain....if you can! SHow and prove I don't know what I'm talking about with facts....if you can. Closet zionist? Now you're name calling. Interesting.

[Rob Swanson]

Originally Posted by Urban_Journalz

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And you're cursing Sunny! You're CURSING! You never curse! Are you angry? If so, why?

[Kephrem]

Originally Posted by Urban_Journalz

Real Muslims live the principles of Islam instead of talking about them. Just like a real anything, poet, philosopher, warrior, etc. is known by the way they ARE. You'll know a real Muslim when you talk to one simply by his or her disposition. They sacrifice sleep for the early morning prayer. They fast, even when it's not the Holy Month of Ramadan. They control their speech and emotions. Even in the face of the ignorant, you'll see an air of calm and precision in their manner. Picture every other personification of control and strength, Samurai, Shaolin Monk, whatever, then add, instead of Bushido or Buddhism, Islamic principles and you have what you refer to as a real Muslim.

Re-Al Talk

[knowcheeze]

people who get vaccinated=not muslim