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Old 09-12-2010, 10:34 PM   #16
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Basically (I feel like an older brother spoiling Santa Claus) there is no God, no magic, no meaning to life beyond what you want from it. All religions are false prophets speaking falsehoods to those who need the comfort. The prophets vary in character. Moses was an Egyptian Prince. Jesus was a pacifist-Hippy-Jew. Mohammad was a Pedophile Warlord. Nobody is perfect. They sold messages of hope to people who desperately needed it. Some people still need those ridiculous beliefs in spite of our science and general all round Nietzschian Ubermensch status. No use getting worked up over commoners burying their heads in the sand. I embrace the fact I'm not going to Heaven or Hell. That everything I do is at my own discretion and that success or failure is on my shoulders not three women weaving cloth next to the well of knowledge.
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Maybe 1 in 5 posts is my actual opinion.
Where does this pretentious load of s**t fall into? The 1 or the remaining 4?

Either way it's become that 4.99 in 5 of your posts aren't worth reading.

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That would be the 1 in four. I'm an atheist. Shocker.

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atheism is for cowards who don't want to take responsibility for their lives.
nietze is for children who want to sound cool. in life he was a complete failure in the fact that his philosophy cause more human suffering than the religious beliefs he tried to quash.

as far as the principles of dianetics go, i found them emlightening and were my first steps out of catholicsm and on my path toward truth.

scientology can get a bit wacky tho.
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Its a joke. Hubbard invented it all on a bet. I don't think you should accept a science fiction writer as a prophet...
Oh ok and I should accept Jesus as a prophet?


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Antoine Dodson is my personal lord and savior. I've beefed up security on my windows because of him. When did Jesus ever tell ya to do somehin' like that?

Run an tell that, homeboy, home, home, homeboy.
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atheism is for cowards who don't want to take responsibility for their lives.
nietze is for children who want to sound cool. in life he was a complete failure in the fact that his philosophy cause more human suffering than the religious beliefs he tried to quash.

as far as the principles of dianetics go, i found them emlightening and were my first steps out of catholicsm and on my path toward truth.

scientology can get a bit wacky tho.
for example...

I would rather identify myself as a Singularitarian.... and that term should never be pigeon-holed as a person who has spent their life seeking alternatives to customary faith, but more as a respect for our exponentially evolving intelligence + technological advancement. I'm very open to the idea of a god(s) or a supreme architect exisiting which may have designed all of this. However when you train yourself in this way of thinking you still need a source for drawing your personal set of morals from.

This universe may still be a long way from "waking up" and performing it's true function. Intelligence is like what gasoline is to a motor.

This really isn't the thread I'd like to discuss this topic in though.
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Antoine Dodson is my personal lord and savior. I've beefed up security on my windows because of him. When did Jesus ever tell ya to do somehin' like that?

Run an tell that, homeboy, home, home, homeboy.
Antoine is actually the second coming of Black Jesus warning the iPod generation about the dangers of rape and autoimmune-tune disease.
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I would rather identify myself as a Singularitarian.... and that term should never be pigeon-holed as a person who has spent their life seeking alternatives to customary faith, but more as a respect for our exponentially evolving intelligence + technological advancement. I'm very open to the idea of a god(s) or a supreme architect exisiting which may have designed all of this. However when you train yourself in this way of thinking you still need a source for drawing your personal set of morals from.

This universe may still be a long way from "waking up" and performing it's true function. Intelligence is like what gasoline is to a motor.

This really isn't the thread I'd like to discuss this topic in though.
i guess the only response i have to this movement is that the universe itself is a superintelligence. i say this because in essence, our universe is made up of information that is constantly being exchanged in a intelligently constructed matrix. i would rather tap into that than to try and reinvent the wheel. its kind of like creating a robot that can tap dance rather than learning to do it yourself. i may be way off base tho.
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That's actually another possibility. I recently read something (which I can't recall the article name) but the author put forth the idea that our universe may act like a hologram design where information is inscribed on two layers or planes, but we can only interact and modify 1; due to not being able to access higher dimensions which may or may not exist.
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That's actually another possibility. I recently read something (which I can't recall the article name) but the author put forth the idea that our universe may act like a hologram design where information is inscribed on two layers or planes, but we can only interact and modify 1; due to not being able to access higher dimensions which may or may not exist.
hawking addressed this when trying to figure out whether or not information is destroyed by a black hole.
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I think he admitted defeat (a colleague made a bet with him) because the information submitted or calculation performed can produce an answer or have it's quantum state untangled on the other side of the black hole (e.g. parallel universe)
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atheism is for cowards who don't want to take responsibility for their lives.
nietze is for children who want to sound cool. in life he was a complete failure in the fact that his philosophy cause more human suffering than the religious beliefs he tried to quash.

as far as the principles of dianetics go, i found them emlightening and were my first steps out of catholicsm and on my path toward truth.

scientology can get a bit wacky tho.
for example...

I usually don't even bother responding to posts on this board because of the overwhelming waves of stupidity here, but I felt compelled because this is by far one of the dumbest things I've read in a while.

First of all, how is delving into obscurantist dogmas who tell placating lies, such as Scientology, Christianity, Islam, you name it, "taking responsibility for your life"?

Do you even personally know any atheists? The majority of the best scientists are atheists or agnostics. What aren't they taking responsibility for? Most atheists are skeptics who strive to criticize received wisdom. We are all human, of course, and just as susceptible to biases and irrationality as any other human, but we do try to sift through the bullshit with methodological naturalism, which why most of us threw off the shackles of religion. Hell, call me a naturalist if "atheist" is so distasteful and sanctimonious-sounding to you. I can't prove that god doesn't exist, but I simply don't need him to explain natural phenomena, and I find the likelihood of his more specific manifestations described in the Bible, Koran, the Vedas, etc. to be even more unlikely than some vaguer "universal force" wishy-wash.

I also would like to say that while I agree with BoarzHeadBoy's responses to the general credulity toward any old snake oil on here to be on point, he doesn't speak for me in regard to his half-baked Randian/faux-Nietzschean world-view, nor do my generally more left-wing views speak for atheists as a whole. Which brings me to my next point:

News flash! Most atheists are not followers of Nietzsche, nor do they consider his philosophy a good reason to be an atheist. Theologians just LOOOOOOVE Nietzsche because they can point to his shitty life an existential angst as proof of their beloved savior, but while I find some of his ideas very interesting, most of us never needed his philosophy to arrive at our disuse for the idea of the god and the supernatural. And how did his philosophy cause suffering? Are you perhaps referring to his wrongful appropriation by the Nazis on account of his backstabbing anti-Semite sister who drastically edited his posthumous publications? Do you realize that Nietzsche rejected anti-Semitism and it actually led to the fallout of his initial admiration for Wagner, who was another shit-eating anti-Semite?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philoso...nd_nationalism

So what is it about Scientology that you find so much more "truthful" over Catholicism's similar, if less tacky, bullshit? Is it the crappy pulp-sci-fi space opera mythology? The fact that the first publications of his "Dianetics" appeared in a Pulp science fiction magazine? The fact that they fleece thousands of dollars from their customers... ahem... parishioners for dubious devices that have no scientific/medial efficacy? The fact that they have been linked to numerous chilling crimes and character assassination plots?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disconnection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout

You guys constantly banter about secret evil organizations on here, yet here's a blatantly fucking evil organization right in front of your nose and you take a huge wiff of its bullshit and think it smells like roses.

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I usually don't even bother responding to posts on this board because of the overwhelming waves of stupidity here, but I felt compelled because this is by far one of the dumbest things I've read in a while.

First of all, how is delving into obscurantist dogmas who tell placating lies, such as Scientology, Christianity, Islam, you name it, "taking responsibility for your life"?

Do you even personally know any atheists? The majority of the best scientists are atheists or agnostics. What aren't they taking responsibility for? Most atheists are skeptics who strive to criticize received wisdom. We are all human, of course, and just as susceptible to biases and irrationality as any other human, but we do try to sift through the bullshit with methodological naturalism, which why most of us threw off the shackles of religion. Hell, call me a naturalist if "atheist" is so distasteful and sanctimonious-sounding to you. I can't prove that god doesn't exist, but I simply don't need him to explain natural phenomena, and I find the likelihood of his more specific manifestations described in the Bible, Koran, the Vedas, etc. to be even more unlikely than some vaguer "universal force" wishy-wash.

I also would like to say that while I agree with BoarzHeadBoy's responses to the general credulity toward any old snake oil on here to be on point, he doesn't speak for me in regard to his half-baked Randian/faux-Nietzschean world-view, nor do my generally more left-wing views speak for atheists as a whole. Which brings me to my next point:

News flash! Most atheists are not followers of Nietzsche, nor do they consider his philosophy a good reason to be an atheist. Theologians just LOOOOOOVE Nietzsche because they can point to his shitty life an existential angst as proof of their beloved savior, but while I find some of his ideas very interesting, most of us never needed his philosophy to arrive at our disuse for the idea of the god and the supernatural. And how did his philosophy cause suffering? Are you perhaps referring to his wrongful appropriation by the Nazis on account of his backstabbing anti-Semite sister who drastically edited his posthumous publications? Do you realize that Nietzsche rejected anti-Semitism and it actually led to the fallout of his initial admiration for Wagner, who was another shit-eating anti-Semite?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philoso...nd_nationalism

So what is it about Scientology that you find so much more "truthful" over Catholicism's similar, if less tacky, bullshit? Is it the crappy pulp-sci-fi space opera mythology? The fact that the first publications of his "Dianetics" appeared in a Pulp science fiction magazine? The fact that they fleece thousands of dollars from their customers... ahem... parishioners for dubious devices that have no scientific/medial efficacy? The fact that they have been linked to numerous chilling crimes and character assassination plots?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disconnection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout

You guys constantly banter about secret evil organizations on here, yet here's a blatantly fucking evil organization right in front of your nose and you take a huge wiff of its bullshit and think it smells like roses.
touched a nerve eh? look dude, if you want to believe you are the result of a one in a infinitesimally small chance of random assembly of atomic particles then thats your biz. but realize that you are just as deep in a fairytale as any other religious nut.

by recognizing that there is a power higher than yourself you also have to accept that you have a responsibility to that power.

atheism is just as silly as xenu or the spaghetti monster.

you obviously haven't read dianetics so i'm going to chalk up your comments to ignorance.

as far as knowing atheists, yes i know a few and they all rationalize their behavior by hiding behind the fact that "there is no God and therefore my actions have no significance beyond my sphere of influence."

but thanks for your input.
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