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    That shit gotta get leaked @ some point

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    does this in anyway void the contract from when the album was sold? if this goes to auction and is sold, i cant see the new owner being bound by anything in the initial contract. i imagine they would be free to do whatever they want with it...

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    Guess we are going to have to do like Bart and his friends did on Simpsons and all of us put our money together to purchase it until we get into an argument over it and it gets destroyed in the process and we cry with raw emotion like Doctor David Banner in that Incredible Hulk episode when that other hulk smashed his cure..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaDynasty View Post
    Lol they're not going to throw it in a giant warehouse with bigfoot fossils and the cure for AIDS like the end of an Indiana Jones movie. And they won't have a big Wu themed staff party. It'll be auctioned and Harvey Weinstein will buy it.
    It probably will go up for auction again
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8 View Post
    That shit gotta get leaked @ some point
    gonna go ahead and say the federal government ain't leakin shit lol. props to cilva. The more dramatic a piece of art's story is, the higher its value. though this looks like it's going to be locked off forever if it's with the feds and taken off the market as a whole. There's always the chance of a federal auction though

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    I wouldnt rule out the chance there's a big wu fan in the government that wants to hear it and gets it leaked. I hope it doesn't though


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    I would think auction too. This isn't coke we're talking about.

    But maybe they destroy it. Who knows.


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    i just legit hope it doesnt ever get leaked, it'd be better for the brand. or not until after Wu's retirement
    it would be like tarantino saying what was in the Pulp Fiction brief case, it would ruin the whole mystique
    there's literally no possible way of the album living up to the hype, or even a fraction of it


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    Yea well after hearing wu on drink champs, random meth interviews hes done on the promo tour for his tbs show and reading ugods book, albums essentially a fake wu album anyway.

    Once its ripped you can stop acting like its this gem of an album since everytime it makes some news site you call it “the gift that keeps on giving”

    To quote meth about your OUATIS book “still finding a way to prostitute my crew”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rame View Post

    But maybe they destroy it. Who knows.
    Lol, rza wont let that happened in fact the clan would not like it either. no matter how this album first came about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForensikZ View Post
    Yea well after hearing wu on drink champs, random meth interviews hes done on the promo tour for his tbs show and reading ugods book, albums essentially a fake wu album anyway.

    Once its ripped you can stop acting like its this gem of an album since everytime it makes some news site you call it “the gift that keeps on giving”

    To quote meth about your OUATIS book “still finding a way to prostitute my crew”
    Regardless of the snake shit Ringz pulled off.

    It's as simple as this..

    Proudced beats.
    Paid Rappers for verses.
    Created LP.
    Co-Signed by Rza.
    Sold.

    Oh look. It's a Wu LP.. If Rza has stamped it as Wu. It's Wu.. Sorry if your feelings got hurt.. But Rza is the only person with any authority of claiming what this shit is..

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    Quote Originally Posted by num2son View Post
    Lol, rza wont let that happened in fact the clan would not like it either. no matter how this album first came about.
    Oh so RZA is gonna tell the feds to fuck off and not destroy the album?


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    I think OUATIS happened not so much because it was a one of kind lp , new way of selling music , blah blah blah but because Cilva , Divine, Power and The Abbott are sheisty business people. dont think this album would have been able to be released the traditional way via physical and media outlets because Cilva would have got his ass whooped !

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    I just wanna hear this joint already!

    Imo, even if RZA co-signed it, it's not a Wu-Tang Clan album. I see it as a Cilvaringz album featuring the Wu-Tang members, since they didn't create it together as a clan album. That's why I completely understand that some Wu members don't co-sign it, since it's labeled a Wu-Tang Clan release.

    I'm not talking about the quality of the music though, I bet it's great! I think the whole idea is great too, what every fan dreams of doing. I think the Wu members, as well as fans, would appreciate it more if it was more released as what it is. If it would've been presented so that everyone understood that the Clan wasn't knowing about it being a wanna-be Wu-Tang Clan album (not wanna-be in a bad way, but describing), that it's a Cilvaringz project trying to capture the golden era Wu-Tang sound.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackoma.../#3d2561393edc

    This video explains it so I can't say they're trying to keep it a secret, but imo it's still shady marketing calling it a Wu-Tang Clan release, no matter what RZA says. Here's why!

    "The album was recorded in secret with the members not knowing the exact outcome," RZA said in March 2015. "But when we announced it to them that this was the plan, everybody agreed that this was a very unique idea."

    Sure is, but did they get paid thinking it was gonna be released as a regular project? If so, that changes a lot. Especially since it has the label Wu-Tang Clan!

    "Neris, who manages U-God, says the real story is that Cilvaringz gathered verses over the years from Clan members for his own projects and later stitched them together to make Once Upon a Time in Shaolin without the full group's permission. "We're very detailed about the quality and how we put our best foot forward," Neris says. "We would never have authorized anyone to put together a project and call it a Wu-Tang Clan record without us ever looking at it, hearing it, or being in the same room together. That's just the way these guys work.""

    "U-God sued Wu-Tang Productions Inc. and RZA in New York State Supreme Court last year, saying he hadn't been paid for his work on "Once Upon a Time in Shaolin," among other things. His manager says that case is pending."

    "When we did the verses, it was for a Cilvaringz album," says James Ellis, manager of Method Man, another core member of the group. "How it became a Wu-Tang album from there? We have no knowledge of that."

    "The rapper Shyheim Franklin, another member of the extended Wu-Tang network whose work has been praised by Jay-Z, tells a similar story. He says he went into a studio on Staten Island with Cilvaringz about five years ago to add verses to one of the producer's records. "He did mention it being a project he was trying to produce with everyone on it," Franklin says. "There wasn't the assumption that it would be a Wu-Tang album."

    Franklin, whose name is on a track list for "Once Upon a Time in Shaolin" that has circulated online, says he can't be sure he's on the record but he'd like to find out. "I'd like my cut of that $2 million," Franklin says by telephone from Washington Correctional Facility in upstate New York, where he's serving a maximum sentence of 14 years for second-degree manslaughter."

    ""The way he presented it," Killa Sin says of his recording with Cilvaringz, "was it was going to be basically his album, and he wanted me to do some work for him." He later learned his verses ended up on the Wu-Tang Clan's "Once Upon a Time in Shaolin," the most expensive record ever sold."

    "For Killa Sin, the experience has been particularly disheartening. He says he had been off the scene for a while and was looking for a way to get back in front of the public. He had previously worked with Cilvaringz, a RZA protégé, and liked his style. When he complained about the low fee Cilvaringz offered, the response underscored that this wasn't a project affiliated with one of the most beloved rap groups. "He said, 'I'm doing this all out of my pocket, and I don't have a big budget,'" Killa Sin recalls.

    Killa Sin says he pressed Cilvaringz to let him hear some of the record so he could write better verses and immediately recognized old friends from the Wu-Tang Clan such as Raekwon and Inspectah Deck. "Of course," he says, "I've been associated with those guys for the better part of 20 years." He figured the Cilvaringz album would be a good one and he'd have more chances to record.

    But in 2015, Killa Sin was convicted of criminal weapons possession and received a 16-years-to-life sentence. He's currently at Sing Sing Correctional Facility in Ossining, N.Y. Later that same year, RZA and Cilvaringz sold "Once Upon a Time in Shaolin" to Shkreli, who has kept the album under wraps for the most part, although he did play some of it online after the election of Donald Trump.

    In a telephone call from prison, Killa Sin laments that he wasted his verses on an album that may never be heard by Wu-Tang Clan fans. He also resents the way Cilvaringz treated him and the rest of the Clan members and their affiliates.

    "It's an insult," Killa Sin says. "It's like f--- everybody else. I'm going to get mine. He probably thought, 'We're onto something. We can really get some money for this.' But you got to stop and say, 'How would my brothers feel?'""

    (Source: https://www.sfgate.com/aboutsfgate/a...t-12198404.php)

    Here's what U-God is saying in his book, it summarises it all: https://i.imgur.com/eSIaDY1.png
    (This part of the book is already available online for free, it's from a preview at Google books)

    I'm not trying to take anything away from Cilvaringz (or RZA), I really appreciate the hard work and the whole idea behind it. I'm just explaining why I can't see it as a Wu-Tang Clan album, and why I understand that the people involved are disappointed with the way they were treated as persons, even if the music is amazing and I really like the secret project idea in itself.
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    Here's what U-God is saying in his book, it summarises it all: https://i.imgur.com/eSIaDY1.png
    (This part of the book is already available online for free, it's from a preview at Google books)

    as RZA would say " Bong Bong "

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